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Acidia wrote:
I'm going to point for the oompteenth time to the best example
in existence: World of Warcraft.
in existence: World of Warcraft.
I'd just like to point out that PvP servers seem to be much
more popular than PvE servers in WoW. Player versus player
interaction is an intergral part of BatMUD and has always
been so. We have some limitations to ensure it does not get
totally out of hands, but demanding invulnerability from
other players, is like demanding an Immortality-mod for
Quake/CS - it will not happen.
-- Gore
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Gore wrote:
Acidia wrote:
I'm going to point for the oompteenth time to the best example
in existence: World of Warcraft.
in existence: World of Warcraft.
I'd just like to point out that PvP servers seem to be much
more popular than PvE servers in WoW. Player versus player
interaction is an intergral part of BatMUD and has always
been so. We have some limitations to ensure it does not get
totally out of hands, but demanding invulnerability from
other players, is like demanding an Immortality-mod for
Quake/CS - it will not happen.
-- Gore
Let them do the PVP there. That's why there are pve-servers
for people who are not determined to kick the living crap out
of eachother every single goddamn change they get.
And you are missing my point also. For fucks sake please
read this again, and please do understand it:
SHIP PVP IS NOT PLAYER KILLING SINCE THE PLAYER DOES NOT
DIE, HENCE THE GODDAMN RULES DO NOT APPLY.
Did you read that and understand? Thank you.
This is an oxymoron, you can fuck around with another player,
ruins his game for the next hour without any consequences.
That is PVP but since the rules do not apply there, its not restricted.
I'm asking a change in there. If you restrict ganking player
ships as you do killing players, I'll be more than happy to
park my goddamn boat infront of arelium and let every
pirate shoot the fucking crap out of it so that I'm immune
for the next month.
Thank you for understanding the difference here.
~/A
I think Melemkor already made it clear in his previous
post that player killing rules do apply to ship combat.
No, we have no intention of setting up a forced-PvE
version of BatMUD.
Perhaps it is you who should read what has been replied
to you, instead of claiming that we don't see your point.
I see your point, and I disagree with it. Based on the
ratings of your posts, it atleast looks like others dis-
agree with you as well.
++ Gore
P.s. Incidentally, in that perfect PvP-game, corpsecamping
and repeated ganking of players with no chance at defending
themselves is prefectly normal, as anybody who has ever
visited STV will know
post that player killing rules do apply to ship combat.
No, we have no intention of setting up a forced-PvE
version of BatMUD.
Perhaps it is you who should read what has been replied
to you, instead of claiming that we don't see your point.
I see your point, and I disagree with it. Based on the
ratings of your posts, it atleast looks like others dis-
agree with you as well.
++ Gore
P.s. Incidentally, in that perfect PvP-game, corpsecamping
and repeated ganking of players with no chance at defending
themselves is prefectly normal, as anybody who has ever
visited STV will know
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Gore
A r c h w i z a r d
9y, 296d, 13h, 51m, 16s old
Level:
600 [Wizard] Gore wrote:
I think Melemkor already made it clear in his previous
post that player killing rules do apply to ship combat.
No, we have no intention of setting up a forced-PvE
version of BatMUD.
Perhaps it is you who should read what has been replied
to you, instead of claiming that we don't see your point.
I see your point, and I disagree with it. Based on the
ratings of your posts, it atleast looks like others dis-
agree with you as well.
++ Gore
P.s. Incidentally, in that perfect PvP-game, corpsecamping
and repeated ganking of players with no chance at defending
themselves is prefectly normal, as anybody who has ever
visited STV will know
post that player killing rules do apply to ship combat.
No, we have no intention of setting up a forced-PvE
version of BatMUD.
Perhaps it is you who should read what has been replied
to you, instead of claiming that we don't see your point.
I see your point, and I disagree with it. Based on the
ratings of your posts, it atleast looks like others dis-
agree with you as well.
++ Gore
P.s. Incidentally, in that perfect PvP-game, corpsecamping
and repeated ganking of players with no chance at defending
themselves is prefectly normal, as anybody who has ever
visited STV will know
Cling to the old school if you will. I still want to point out that
forced pvp is a bit lame. And people who do it well, know
where to hit and how. Players getting on their way pay the price
without any means of defending themselves. This includes ships.
I can only distress so much how a sinking ship just before boot
feels like.
Would you atleast consider these:
1) A module for a ship that when being attacked, shields the
ship on command and roots it to its place for ~10 mins or so.
Works once per hour. This module also slows down the ships
normal maneuvering and perhaps something else.
2) Enlarge the area of non-combat around shipyards and piers.
3) Ship module that cloaks your ship permanently/once per
hour giving it a better chance to flee.
4) Lessen the time for a ship to sink dramatically, so that
it doesn't take ages to recover it. Or again a module that
could scuttle the ship really fast forcing the pirate act
quickly if he wants to loot the ships cargo holds.
Or something along those lines. It's just so utterly
frustrating to be in the mercy of 24/7 players who have
it all, and can make a ridicule out of anyone, making
them think twice if they want to continue playing.
(And no, I'm not quitting).
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There are several problems with BatMUD's PvP mechanics,
most prominently the use of zaps/instant-effect eqs. The
ships are not nearly a priority when it comes to PvP
balance issues.
When I get Melemkor online, we'll do something about
extending the protective radius around harbors. I also
rephrased the help player killing so that it certainly
includes ships as well.
As for the other ideas, I do not think they are good or
should be implemented. The seas (especially outside ports)
are lawless areas. These are dark medievial times, not a
picnic ride on Silja Line.
Our goal should probably be to make it more rewarding for
non-pirates to haul cargo or do other things between cities,
not to eliminate the risk of travelling between the locations.
++ Gore
most prominently the use of zaps/instant-effect eqs. The
ships are not nearly a priority when it comes to PvP
balance issues.
When I get Melemkor online, we'll do something about
extending the protective radius around harbors. I also
rephrased the help player killing so that it certainly
includes ships as well.
As for the other ideas, I do not think they are good or
should be implemented. The seas (especially outside ports)
are lawless areas. These are dark medievial times, not a
picnic ride on Silja Line.
Our goal should probably be to make it more rewarding for
non-pirates to haul cargo or do other things between cities,
not to eliminate the risk of travelling between the locations.
++ Gore
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Votes:
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Gore
A r c h w i z a r d
9y, 296d, 19h, 51m, 28s old
Level:
600 [Wizard]