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#1
23 Feb 2011 04:46
 
 
First, I'd like to say that I held off posting for most of my day, and
after several deep, calming breaths, to soothe the kneejerk reaction
to tunes :)

It seems to me that preventing only barso from being able to wield
certain size weapons is rather silly. IMO this tune should be more
based on size/str/mount modifiers rather than just race. Granted,
barso is the smallest tank race, even dwarf is bigger, but not by much.
That being said, a possible tune that would seem more reasonable
(to me anyway) would be to limit the size weapon wieldable in
lower limbs for barso, rather than just across the board.
Even tho I am barso, I don't really expect it to impact me much
at all, because I'm using sblades, but to single out one race
for this tune, while posting to make it look like it'd affect
more is in poor taste, and also an insult to the intelligence
of the people who play. Barso also took a slight nerf in regards
to the new 'rig' slot, and now they are having their weapons limited,
well, I'm not surprised that people are bitching.

--Hair

 
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Hair
N e w b i e  H e l p e r
1y, 356d, 7h, 37m, 42s old
Level:
95
 
 
#2
23 Feb 2011 08:50
 
 
Hair wrote:
First, I'd like to say that I held off posting for most of my day, and
after several deep, calming breaths, to soothe the kneejerk reaction
to tunes :)

It seems to me that preventing only barso from being able to wield
certain size weapons is rather silly. IMO this tune should be more
based on size/str/mount modifiers rather than just race. Granted,
barso is the smallest tank race, even dwarf is bigger, but not by much.
That being said, a possible tune that would seem more reasonable
(to me anyway) would be to limit the size weapon wieldable in
lower limbs for barso, rather than just across the board.
Even tho I am barso, I don't really expect it to impact me much
at all, because I'm using sblades, but to single out one race
for this tune, while posting to make it look like it'd affect
more is in poor taste, and also an insult to the intelligence
of the people who play. Barso also took a slight nerf in regards
to the new 'rig' slot, and now they are having their weapons limited,
well, I'm not surprised that people are bitching.

--Hair
Well. Barsos awesomeness has been a discussion topic for a long time now. A 2
limbed race , be it dwarf, can only wield 2 weapons, with or without size
limitations....barso could wield 4. Something had to be done to maintain
atleast a little balance. Would you have preferred if barsoomian race had been
removed alltogether?

Just my 25 cents

 
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Marrow
2y, 46d, 8h, 44m, 52s old
Level:
96
 
 
#3
23 Feb 2011 16:51
 
 
Marrow wrote:
Hair wrote:
First, I'd like to say that I held off posting for most of my day, and
after several deep, calming breaths, to soothe the kneejerk reaction
to tunes :)

It seems to me that preventing only barso from being able to wield
certain size weapons is rather silly. IMO this tune should be more
based on size/str/mount modifiers rather than just race. Granted,
barso is the smallest tank race, even dwarf is bigger, but not by much.
That being said, a possible tune that would seem more reasonable
(to me anyway) would be to limit the size weapon wieldable in
lower limbs for barso, rather than just across the board.
Even tho I am barso, I don't really expect it to impact me much
at all, because I'm using sblades, but to single out one race
for this tune, while posting to make it look like it'd affect
more is in poor taste, and also an insult to the intelligence
of the people who play. Barso also took a slight nerf in regards
to the new 'rig' slot, and now they are having their weapons limited,
well, I'm not surprised that people are bitching.

--Hair
Well. Barsos awesomeness has been a discussion topic for a long time now. A 2
limbed race , be it dwarf, can only wield 2 weapons, with or without size
limitations....barso could wield 4. Something had to be done to maintain
atleast a little balance. Would you have preferred if barsoomian race had been
removed alltogether?

Just my 25 cents
Barsoomians could have been tuned to be like they are in the books, big but
weak. Give them size 70-80 but lower their natural str max to that of a leech
or so. They are after all martians, and gravity on earth is bigger than
mars,thus, they are weak.

 
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Ulver
2y, 342d, 17h, 20m, 47s old
Level:
84
 
 
#4
24 Feb 2011 01:00
 
 
Quote:
Marrow wrote:
Hair wrote:
First, I'd like to say that I held off posting for most of my day, and
after several deep, calming breaths, to soothe the kneejerk reaction
to tunes :)

It seems to me that preventing only barso from being able to wield
certain size weapons is rather silly. IMO this tune should be more
based on size/str/mount modifiers rather than just race. Granted,
barso is the smallest tank race, even dwarf is bigger, but not by much.
That being said, a possible tune that would seem more reasonable
(to me anyway) would be to limit the size weapon wieldable in
lower limbs for barso, rather than just across the board.
Even tho I am barso, I don't really expect it to impact me much
at all, because I'm using sblades, but to single out one race
for this tune, while posting to make it look like it'd affect
more is in poor taste, and also an insult to the intelligence
of the people who play. Barso also took a slight nerf in regards
to the new 'rig' slot, and now they are having their weapons limited,
well, I'm not surprised that people are bitching.

--Hair
Well. Barsos awesomeness has been a discussion topic for a long time now. A 2
limbed race , be it dwarf, can only wield 2 weapons, with or without size
limitations....barso could wield 4. Something had to be done to maintain
atleast a little balance. Would you have preferred if barsoomian race had been
removed alltogether?

Just my 25 cents
Barsoomians could have been tuned to be like they are in the books, big but
weak. Give them size 70-80 but lower their natural str max to that of a leech
or so. They are after all martians, and gravity on earth is bigger than
mars,thus, they are weak.
The barso tune was coming and we all knew it, but for those of us that bought
weapons and planned accordingly for our reincs are now screwed. I figured some
tune would come to make them not as powerful and I don't mind the tune. But a
major change has come to a race and when I asked master of the nerf tunes Freld
if barsos would be getting free reincs he told me that I could sell my weapons
or get free zaps from Ulath. I appreciate it, be well all.

++ Dutois

 
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Dutois
2y, 192d, 1h, 47m, 30s old
Level:
100
 
 
#5
23 Feb 2011 17:46
 
 
Barso needed a slight downtune. They got it. The community on a whole is
probably just tired of seeing constant downtunes.

At some point there needs to be a power level standard! Then you can say this
race/item needs +/- power. It really sucks to see, for example, Centuar loss
a hoof attack. Just because 2x badass players (Maximus being one) rocked it
so much that people bitch/whined/complained, just like barso, till they lost a
hoof attack. Then down the line, racial limbs get nerfed. Centaurs didn't
get that limb attack back, so they got double nerfed! Reavers got their heal
nerfed, because 2-4 people had multi single slot +10wis items and were able to
get 400+ wis. (If you ever were a reaver, then you know that's just a sick
amount of wis on a hyrid.) Rather than put a wis cap on the heal, it was tuned
to, from what I hear, worthlessness. So, all these tunes screw the 'average'
player, while giving a minor downtune to the elite 5%. And Ents and spider
guild...nevermind.

Rather than whine about 'xxxx does a 35k rate solo' and then tune the
race/guild. Mr/Mrs xxxx has more exp/eq/boons/wiz items/or game knowledge
than others and that is probably why he/she rocks. Besides, 90% of us play
this game to increase in power. That is why we do exp, eq, and grind cash.
So, we can increase our power level, which seperates us from the average
person. Some people will always be more powerful. Let's not make this game
like WOW and have everyone a cookie cutter of each other. Let's find a
baseline power standard and uptune/downtune around it!

 
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Nikana
1y, 242d, 15h, 33m, 57s old
Level:
98
 
 
#6
23 Feb 2011 18:24
 
 
I clearly remember barso not being a very popular race and I'm also almost
sure they didnt get uptuned, so what happened to make them so overpowered that
this recent tune was done? (And yes, I think it was needed)

 
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Evilild
1y, 221d, 4h, 28m, 6s old
Level:
95
 
 
#7
24 Feb 2011 00:20
 
 
Barsoos have clear disadvantage by all metrics that could be used to consider
them as tank race (nomad or religious - no matter)
now they downtuned more.
isnt it a major downtune?
do we have any uptune to cower this ? maybe we can do more damage permanently?
even with tiny knives in hands?
if no. can we have a free reinc?

 
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Stranger
316d, 13h, 57m, 56s old
Level:
90
 
 
#8
24 Feb 2011 05:22
 
 
Evilild wrote:
I clearly remember barso not being a very popular race and I'm also almost
sure they didnt get uptuned, so what happened to make them so overpowered that
this recent tune was done? (And yes, I think it was needed)
It was the custom stat tune coupled with the train over racemax tune. You can
just dump all your stats into con and make up for what used to be an
unplayable hpmax, and plenty of players have enough exp these days that good
skill levels are quite possible. Also there's more good small weapons these
days.

 
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Presence
355d, 11h, 45m, 10s old
Level:
60
 
 
#9
24 Feb 2011 11:52
 
 
Presence wrote:
Evilild wrote:
I clearly remember barso not being a very popular race and I'm also almost
sure they didnt get uptuned, so what happened to make them so overpowered that
this recent tune was done? (And yes, I think it was needed)
It was the custom stat tune coupled with the train over racemax tune. You can
just dump all your stats into con and make up for what used to be an
unplayable hpmax, and plenty of players have enough exp these days that good
skill levels are quite possible. Also there's more good small weapons these
days.
Also tuning str to affect wieldsize made barsos able to wield bigger weapons
than before.

 
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Lyriikka
1y, 247d, 4h, 52m, 33s old
Level:
99
 
 
#10
24 Feb 2011 15:14
 
 
Evilild wrote:
I clearly remember barso not being a very popular race and I'm also almost
sure they didnt get uptuned, so what happened to make them so overpowered that
this recent tune was done? (And yes, I think it was needed)
offus were uptuned? i remember ppl being badass offus if they hit shred or so

 
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El
2y, 4d, 22h, 16m, 45s old
Level:
82