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Could camping be changed so that only nomadic people have penalty when camping
indoors. All other bgs would get normal hpspep when camping indoors and the
penalty would apply when camping outdoors. I think normal civilized people
rest indoors osv.
Also, the ability to make fire is quite a basic thing. I think it was said
somewhere that that made it possible for human to evolve. Thus, all bgs
(nomads are the dumbest, therefore all others must 'know' how to make fire,
too) should get basic firebuilding ability. Mastery could still be reserved to
rangers as they're the true pyromaniacs.
While doing that, it would also be nice to be able to make fires indoors in
areas that are NOT houses or similar places. I think it's very common to make
a fire inside a cave, which is considered an indoor area here. Again, mastery
could allow building fires inside houses as it takes skill to not set the
whole place on fire.
*
oops
indoors. All other bgs would get normal hpspep when camping indoors and the
penalty would apply when camping outdoors. I think normal civilized people
rest indoors osv.
Also, the ability to make fire is quite a basic thing. I think it was said
somewhere that that made it possible for human to evolve. Thus, all bgs
(nomads are the dumbest, therefore all others must 'know' how to make fire,
too) should get basic firebuilding ability. Mastery could still be reserved to
rangers as they're the true pyromaniacs.
While doing that, it would also be nice to be able to make fires indoors in
areas that are NOT houses or similar places. I think it's very common to make
a fire inside a cave, which is considered an indoor area here. Again, mastery
could allow building fires inside houses as it takes skill to not set the
whole place on fire.
*
oops
happening, unless the breast-feeding mother is a chili-head and the baby gets
gas. Humans as a race knowe how to light a fire but I'd like to see you to do
it without gasoline and lighter/matches.
Rating:
5
Votes:
7
Blasterr wrote:
Could camping be changed so that only nomadic people have penalty when camping
indoors. All other bgs would get normal hpspep when camping indoors and the
penalty would apply when camping outdoors. I think normal civilized people
rest indoors osv.
Also, the ability to make fire is quite a basic thing. I think it was said
somewhere that that made it possible for human to evolve. Thus, all bgs
(nomads are the dumbest, therefore all others must 'know' how to make fire,
too) should get basic firebuilding ability. Mastery could still be reserved to
rangers as they're the true pyromaniacs.
While doing that, it would also be nice to be able to make fires indoors in
areas that are NOT houses or similar places. I think it's very common to make
a fire inside a cave, which is considered an indoor area here. Again, mastery
could allow building fires inside houses as it takes skill to not set the
whole place on fire.
*
oops
indoors. All other bgs would get normal hpspep when camping indoors and the
penalty would apply when camping outdoors. I think normal civilized people
rest indoors osv.
Also, the ability to make fire is quite a basic thing. I think it was said
somewhere that that made it possible for human to evolve. Thus, all bgs
(nomads are the dumbest, therefore all others must 'know' how to make fire,
too) should get basic firebuilding ability. Mastery could still be reserved to
rangers as they're the true pyromaniacs.
While doing that, it would also be nice to be able to make fires indoors in
areas that are NOT houses or similar places. I think it's very common to make
a fire inside a cave, which is considered an indoor area here. Again, mastery
could allow building fires inside houses as it takes skill to not set the
whole place on fire.
*
oops
happening, unless the breast-feeding mother is a chili-head and the baby gets
gas. Humans as a race knowe how to light a fire but I'd like to see you to do
it without gasoline and lighter/matches.
cobalt to burn the whole room with a lava storm?
Rating:
4
Votes:
8
Mahon wrote:
Blasterr wrote:
Could camping be changed so that only nomadic people have penalty when camping
indoors. All other bgs would get normal hpspep when camping indoors and the
penalty would apply when camping outdoors. I think normal civilized people
rest indoors osv.
Also, the ability to make fire is quite a basic thing. I think it was said
somewhere that that made it possible for human to evolve. Thus, all bgs
(nomads are the dumbest, therefore all others must 'know' how to make fire,
too) should get basic firebuilding ability. Mastery could still be reserved to
rangers as they're the true pyromaniacs.
While doing that, it would also be nice to be able to make fires indoors in
areas that are NOT houses or similar places. I think it's very common to make
a fire inside a cave, which is considered an indoor area here. Again, mastery
could allow building fires inside houses as it takes skill to not set the
whole place on fire.
*
oops
indoors. All other bgs would get normal hpspep when camping indoors and the
penalty would apply when camping outdoors. I think normal civilized people
rest indoors osv.
Also, the ability to make fire is quite a basic thing. I think it was said
somewhere that that made it possible for human to evolve. Thus, all bgs
(nomads are the dumbest, therefore all others must 'know' how to make fire,
too) should get basic firebuilding ability. Mastery could still be reserved to
rangers as they're the true pyromaniacs.
While doing that, it would also be nice to be able to make fires indoors in
areas that are NOT houses or similar places. I think it's very common to make
a fire inside a cave, which is considered an indoor area here. Again, mastery
could allow building fires inside houses as it takes skill to not set the
whole place on fire.
*
oops
happening, unless the breast-feeding mother is a chili-head and the baby gets
gas. Humans as a race knowe how to light a fire but I'd like to see you to do
it without gasoline and lighter/matches.
cobalt to burn the whole room with a lava storm?
life forms, that'd still be your job to explain how they do it.
Fine, could you explain in detail how a newborn human uses a blue cup made of
cobalt to burn the whole room with a lava storm?
You're trying really hard to not see the point, but then again, you're the one
who thinks mortals can magically know what bugs and what doesn't.
cobalt to burn the whole room with a lava storm?
You're trying really hard to not see the point, but then again, you're the one
who thinks mortals can magically know what bugs and what doesn't.
Rating:
-2
Votes:
6
Mahon wrote:
Fine, could you explain in detail how a newborn human uses a blue cup made of
cobalt to burn the whole room with a lava storm?
You're trying really hard to not see the point, but then again, you're the one
who thinks mortals can magically know what bugs and what doesn't.
cobalt to burn the whole room with a lava storm?
You're trying really hard to not see the point, but then again, you're the one
who thinks mortals can magically know what bugs and what doesn't.
Quote:
Also, the ability to make fire is quite a basic thing. I think it was said
light a fire? You epic failure in logic couldn't amuse me more.
Quote:
somewhere that that made it possible for human to evolve. Thus, all bgs
fire,
Now you want ME to explain how a newborn baby (yes, it's a human too) will
Quote:
(nomads are the dumbest, therefore all others must 'know' how to make
Quote:
too) should get basic firebuilding ability.
Rating:
-1
Votes:
3
Blasterr wrote:
Mahon wrote:
Fine, could you explain in detail how a newborn human uses a blue cup made of
cobalt to burn the whole room with a lava storm?
You're trying really hard to not see the point, but then again, you're the one
who thinks mortals can magically know what bugs and what doesn't.
cobalt to burn the whole room with a lava storm?
You're trying really hard to not see the point, but then again, you're the one
who thinks mortals can magically know what bugs and what doesn't.
Quote:
Also, the ability to make fire is quite a basic thing. I think it was said
light a fire? You epic failure in logic couldn't amuse me more.
Quote:
somewhere that that made it possible for human to evolve. Thus, all bgs
fire,
Now you want ME to explain how a newborn baby (yes, it's a human too) will
Quote:
(nomads are the dumbest, therefore all others must 'know' how to make
Quote:
too) should get basic firebuilding ability.
technology automatically, you learn from being taught or watching others.
Even on this game, humans are taught the basics of firebuilding. The other
races just don't think its that important and instead teach their children
head-bashing or whatever. They can still light some sort of fire (after all,
what race can't light a torch?) but they can't build a /fire/, in the Batmud
sense of something that gives regeneration.
Since it would be useless to allow anyone at all with no skill to build a
0-point fire, I think it is safe to relegate that to the same corner as
sleeping (non-regenitive) or going to the bathroom. Something we all know how
to do but it would be a waste of time to put into the game.
Oh, wait I forgot this is bs. Lets see...
Your mom is _hot_
Rating:
7
Votes:
7
Blasterr wrote:
Mahon wrote:
Fine, could you explain in detail how a newborn human uses a blue cup made of
cobalt to burn the whole room with a lava storm?
You're trying really hard to not see the point, but then again, you're the one
who thinks mortals can magically know what bugs and what doesn't.
cobalt to burn the whole room with a lava storm?
You're trying really hard to not see the point, but then again, you're the one
who thinks mortals can magically know what bugs and what doesn't.
Quote:
Also, the ability to make fire is quite a basic thing. I think it was said
light a fire? You epic failure in logic couldn't amuse me more.
Quote:
somewhere that that made it possible for human to evolve. Thus, all bgs
fire,
Now you want ME to explain how a newborn baby (yes, it's a human too) will
Quote:
(nomads are the dumbest, therefore all others must 'know' how to make
Quote:
too) should get basic firebuilding ability.
baby can do it. I see that he says its a basic thing, which it is, but even
basic concepts need to be learned (hence training and experience points and
whatnot). No where that I can see was it ever mentioned that its so easy even
a cavema... i mean baby can do it.
So, not to point fingers but perhaps YOU, having mentioned the baby in the
first place, should explain it?
=Rekcedien, the evergone-neverhere
Rekcedien has a point. I seriously doubt if the majority of modern, urban
teenagers knew how to build a campfire, even if they were given a lighter and
ready-made wood and tinders to work with.
Let alone light a fire without any modern aids...
Rgds, Ulath
PS. This comparison was made just to point out that indeed, even such basic
skills require a bit of experience and learning. They are not instincts which
you get 'for free'.
teenagers knew how to build a campfire, even if they were given a lighter and
ready-made wood and tinders to work with.
Let alone light a fire without any modern aids...
Rgds, Ulath
PS. This comparison was made just to point out that indeed, even such basic
skills require a bit of experience and learning. They are not instincts which
you get 'for free'.
Rating:
5
Votes:
5
Ulath wrote:
Rekcedien has a point. I seriously doubt if the majority of modern, urban
teenagers knew how to build a campfire, even if they were given a lighter and
ready-made wood and tinders to work with.
Let alone light a fire without any modern aids...
Rgds, Ulath
PS. This comparison was made just to point out that indeed, even such basic
skills require a bit of experience and learning. They are not instincts which
you get 'for free'.
teenagers knew how to build a campfire, even if they were given a lighter and
ready-made wood and tinders to work with.
Let alone light a fire without any modern aids...
Rgds, Ulath
PS. This comparison was made just to point out that indeed, even such basic
skills require a bit of experience and learning. They are not instincts which
you get 'for free'.
Just check the news for forest fires and arsons.
~/A
Rating:
-1
Votes:
3
Ulath wrote:
Rekcedien has a point. I seriously doubt if the majority of modern, urban
teenagers knew how to build a campfire, even if they were given a lighter and
ready-made wood and tinders to work with.
Let alone light a fire without any modern aids...
Rgds, Ulath
PS. This comparison was made just to point out that indeed, even such basic
skills require a bit of experience and learning. They are not instincts which
you get 'for free'.
teenagers knew how to build a campfire, even if they were given a lighter and
ready-made wood and tinders to work with.
Let alone light a fire without any modern aids...
Rgds, Ulath
PS. This comparison was made just to point out that indeed, even such basic
skills require a bit of experience and learning. They are not instincts which
you get 'for free'.
And for Reckedien, are perhaps claiming that a newborn baby isn't a human?
Claiming all humans know how to light a fire would mean also a baby knows how.
Rating:
-2
Votes:
2
Blasterr wrote:
Ulath wrote:
Rekcedien has a point. I seriously doubt if the majority of modern, urban
teenagers knew how to build a campfire, even if they were given a lighter and
ready-made wood and tinders to work with.
Let alone light a fire without any modern aids...
Rgds, Ulath
PS. This comparison was made just to point out that indeed, even such basic
skills require a bit of experience and learning. They are not instincts which
you get 'for free'.
teenagers knew how to build a campfire, even if they were given a lighter and
ready-made wood and tinders to work with.
Let alone light a fire without any modern aids...
Rgds, Ulath
PS. This comparison was made just to point out that indeed, even such basic
skills require a bit of experience and learning. They are not instincts which
you get 'for free'.
And for Reckedien, are perhaps claiming that a newborn baby isn't a human?
Claiming all humans know how to light a fire would mean also a baby knows how.
latest Survivor on Finnish tv (meaning anything between 2 and
10 seasons old) finale which I happened to see. There were these
two girls with tied votes, and the winning one gets to final three
for the million dollars. Now, they compete in building a fire.
They are given ready chopped dry wood, some hay to light it up and
tinder+knife to light it up. After an hour and a half the producers
get desperate and give both girls a pack of matches.
Now, dry wood, dry hay, matches. And one of the girls uses up
all of the matches without lighting the fire, the other girl
manages to light it up with just under an hour of working with
the matches. So no, starting a fire is not trivial, especially
remembering that most people are morons. Now take this to your
basic Chromagnon with int around 30...
-Era of idling
Rating:
7
Votes:
9
In my original post, I never tried to make a comparison between people of
today and people of the era this mud depicts.
While I agree most of todays people don't know how to make a fire without
match&fuel, I don't agree that in the era this mud depicts it wouldn't be
mandatory for survival.
If one still insists that the skills can only be learned and whatnot, why is
it not possible to learn it? I know damn well that if I run 100000 rooms in
ocean without swim ability I will not learn it.
I also know that this is because of certain things gamewise. So, again, I
based my post on what I thought made sense. The answers are based on what
could make sense, but clearly is not the case in this mud. My reasonings
aside, just say 'not gonna happen because of game balance' or whatever and be
done with it.
today and people of the era this mud depicts.
While I agree most of todays people don't know how to make a fire without
match&fuel, I don't agree that in the era this mud depicts it wouldn't be
mandatory for survival.
If one still insists that the skills can only be learned and whatnot, why is
it not possible to learn it? I know damn well that if I run 100000 rooms in
ocean without swim ability I will not learn it.
I also know that this is because of certain things gamewise. So, again, I
based my post on what I thought made sense. The answers are based on what
could make sense, but clearly is not the case in this mud. My reasonings
aside, just say 'not gonna happen because of game balance' or whatever and be
done with it.
Rating:
-1
Votes:
9
Blasterr wrote:
Ulath wrote:
Rekcedien has a point. I seriously doubt if the majority of modern, urban
teenagers knew how to build a campfire, even if they were given a lighter and
ready-made wood and tinders to work with.
Let alone light a fire without any modern aids...
Rgds, Ulath
PS. This comparison was made just to point out that indeed, even such basic
skills require a bit of experience and learning. They are not instincts which
you get 'for free'.
teenagers knew how to build a campfire, even if they were given a lighter and
ready-made wood and tinders to work with.
Let alone light a fire without any modern aids...
Rgds, Ulath
PS. This comparison was made just to point out that indeed, even such basic
skills require a bit of experience and learning. They are not instincts which
you get 'for free'.
And for Reckedien, are perhaps claiming that a newborn baby isn't a human?
Claiming all humans know how to light a fire would mean also a baby knows how.
expressed in addition:
1) Babies of humans, are indeed humans themselves, I agree
!N
2) Every Human has the ability to LEARN how to light a fire, which would be
akin to say... putting experience you gain from life into a skill, such as
fire building... Which I do believe I stated in my previous post.
!N
3)What character here, upon creation or reinc or rebirth, starts as a BABY?
If that were so, there would be forced idling for several weeks play time, I
would imagine, as you grew up.
4) Lastly, my original point was that an argument was made citing babies as an
example, which was never part of the original statement by the orignial
poster.
Rekcedien
Rating:
1
Votes:
4
Mahon wrote:
Blasterr wrote:
Could camping be changed so that only nomadic people have penalty when camping
indoors. All other bgs would get normal hpspep when camping indoors and the
penalty would apply when camping outdoors. I think normal civilized people
rest indoors osv.
Also, the ability to make fire is quite a basic thing. I think it was said
somewhere that that made it possible for human to evolve. Thus, all bgs
(nomads are the dumbest, therefore all others must 'know' how to make fire,
too) should get basic firebuilding ability. Mastery could still be reserved to
rangers as they're the true pyromaniacs.
While doing that, it would also be nice to be able to make fires indoors in
areas that are NOT houses or similar places. I think it's very common to make
a fire inside a cave, which is considered an indoor area here. Again, mastery
could allow building fires inside houses as it takes skill to not set the
whole place on fire.
*
oops
indoors. All other bgs would get normal hpspep when camping indoors and the
penalty would apply when camping outdoors. I think normal civilized people
rest indoors osv.
Also, the ability to make fire is quite a basic thing. I think it was said
somewhere that that made it possible for human to evolve. Thus, all bgs
(nomads are the dumbest, therefore all others must 'know' how to make fire,
too) should get basic firebuilding ability. Mastery could still be reserved to
rangers as they're the true pyromaniacs.
While doing that, it would also be nice to be able to make fires indoors in
areas that are NOT houses or similar places. I think it's very common to make
a fire inside a cave, which is considered an indoor area here. Again, mastery
could allow building fires inside houses as it takes skill to not set the
whole place on fire.
*
oops
happening, unless the breast-feeding mother is a chili-head and the baby gets
gas. Humans as a race knowe how to light a fire but I'd like to see you to do
it without gasoline and lighter/matches.
cobalt to burn the whole room with a lava storm?
Rating:
2
Votes:
2
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