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#1
04 Mar 2003 12:42
 
 

Your first post is logically flawed and the argument doesnt make much sense.
The second one is much better, but ill comment on the first one now. Your
general argument, if i can sum up is: first, an apology for Saddam Hussien
"hes really not such a bad guy, the civilians he;gassed were in rebellion,
etc" This is a mistake, a bad mistake, to underestimate Saddam Hussien.
Saddam is an exceptionally savage, and brutal dictator. The evidence for
this is in plain view and just a very small amount of digging on the web will
prove this. There is plenty of articles written by internationally accredited
journalists on this subject, not just by those that work for the american war
establishment.
You might for instance look up some of the horrors the inspectors found in
Saddam's palaces when they were opened to inspections. Quite "interesting"
reading they make, yes indeed. Ill let you do the work, but one of the more
"interesting" items was a pool of acid with chains, with a glass enclosed
observation area. We had eyewitness testimony from family members who
defected to america that such things existed but until the palaces opened we
had no hard physical evidence--apparently saddam slowly lowers his political
opponents into the pool disolving first feet then legs, etc, while forcing the
family members to watch. But wait, these were his political opponents and so
obviously this must be "put into context" and "understood in framework" as you
put it.

 
 
 
Blayke
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#2
04 Mar 2003 13:31
 
 
How the heck do you know that it is a "bad mistake"? Do you know the person?
This is the common trend with any "unwanted" leader - to demonize the person
and make him look outstandingly brutal, while not offering him any chance of
defence. The media acts as the prosecutor, jury and executioner without any-
body acting as defense. It's happened with Milosevic, it's happened with
Hussein, and it has happened with dozens of other leaders in the past
(Castro),
just because the western world doesn't like them. Please specify how my claims
have been logically flawed, and do provide evidence for it, ok?

Things need to be put into perspective. Iraq is not the US, and the values
and cultures are different. Iraq (as many other middle-eastern countries) is
built upon tribes and ethical groups who have in the past waged bloody wars
against each other, and there's every reason to believe that they would do
so again, given the chance. Saddam may not be a very likable guy from a
western viewpoint, but apart from dissidents and outright traitors, the
average Iraqi is probably happier than having his family slaughtered by
someone from another ethnicity, just because they happen to exist. That is
NOT why people have died in Iraq.

I have yet to read a UN report (I've read the ones Blix has submitted) that
says ANYTHING about torture devices in Saddam's palaces. Please supply me
an unambigious link (preferable to a report on the UN pages) that clearly
states that such is the case. The media is full of spin and disinformation
(both pro- and con-), and atrocities have been invented in the past against
the Iraqi regime, and others, to morally "justify" the need for war. Saddam's
"atrocities" are widely documented, but almost always taken out of context
when quoted by the media. He may not be a nice guy, but nor does he engage
in random massacres.

I am aware of the UN food for oil programme. Are you aware that one third
of its revenue is being stored in UN funds for "rebuilding of Kuwait"? Are
you aware that medicine and other humanitarian aid, despite the programme,
are either being denied (claiming dual use) or being stored for long times
in warehouses around the world because the UN monitoring directorate can't
reach an agreement (due to certain allied opposition) about what should be
allowed and what shouldn't? Are you aware that the top UN huminatarian
director for Iraq resigned some years ago calling the program a genocide
of Iraqi civilians? Are you aware that the substantial portion of Saddam's
wealth does not come from the food for oil programme, but from illegal
export of oil (what a horrible crime!)?

Are you aware that Israel launched an attack against an Iraqi nuclear
powerplant in the 1980's? The world didn't do anything about it, as the
security counsil resolution condemning the attack was vetoed by a certain
country with close ties to Israel. Israel was a staging ground for US
forces during the gulf war. Still you wonder why Saddam is willing to pay
incentive for Palestine suicide bombers?

Again I ask: who should run Iraq? I certainly don't expect it to turn
into a peaceful (americanized) democracy. The roots of hatred against the
western world lies deep in the mind of Iraqi people. The US is no saviour
to them. It's both sad and funny how the actions of a man can first be
applauded and then turned against him at the whim of the US, as is now
happening with Hussein. I can only hope and pray that one day the leaders
of America will stand trial for the atrocities they have contributed to
during the past 50 years.

++ Gore

P.s. This is the "bs" group, and as such is absolutely the right group
for these messages. If you don't like the content here, don't read the
group. Bat has the wealth of being somewhat international, and it's nice
to reflect and see the views of people from other nationalities. Who knows,
maybe Blayke is the future president of the US :)

 
 
 
Gore
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#3
04 Mar 2003 13:57
 
 
Gore wrote:
P.s. This is the "bs" group, and as such is absolutely the right group..
Actually I dont really care about these poltical ravings here some are quite
comical. I just think its sad, that obviously some quite passionate very
literate people are posting well documented posts on a bullshit group on a
mud. They clearly should be president or running some world charity aid
programme or something... =)

 
 
 
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#4
04 Mar 2003 13:57
 
 
Spid wrote:
Gore wrote:
P.s. This is the "bs" group, and as such is absolutely the right group..
Actually I dont really care about these poltical ravings here some are quite
comical. I just think its sad, that obviously some quite passionate very
literate people are posting well documented posts on a bullshit group on a
mud. They clearly should be president or running some world charity aid
programme or something... =)
That's a lame comment too. "I'm not gonna say what I think so you can't
ridicule me. I'll just be a fucking smartass chickenshit and comment your
posts, and not tell you anything about my own opinions". That's just what i
call a real highbie attitude. Boo boo, shame on you who write these kinds of
posts and think you're so much better than we who send stupid pointless
bs-posts.

 
 
 
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#5
05 Mar 2003 15:10
 
 
point 1 ifrst a

point 1 first of all mislovec did commit attosties against mankind as did the
us angauist the indians and sadamm does agaist thekurds

point 2i doest matter what the current social valuse are based on a culture .
poeoplse are graned certain inaleable rights as all creatues are if a culture
practices some sore or ritual sacrifice i should be convined to stop so this
is no diff point 3 the oil for kuaite deal well all countried in cluding
germany and japan after ww 2 put up cast for rebuliding of destroyed
countries so thids is nothing new

point 4 the middle east hates the us for the same reason that makes the us so
powerwfull we have guts or nuts or gumption or whatever when we see somhing
that need to be done we do it un like other cattle bread eropean countries
that didnt have the machimso to cross the altlantic when all the land opened
up in the new world that is why the us is so awsome all the scallawag
entropenureers pirate smuuglen sonse of bitches left to the us to make it
without eropeans telling them what to do and if ya think we will listen to
them now well wrong ther als o o

well sorry telnet sucks im out warroirs of the mind**

 
 
 
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