Awesome! I'll get right down to business:

The following guilds don't exist on HC:
Shadow Sabres
Folklorists
Runemages
Knights
Explorers
Beastmasters
Archers
Squires
Cavaliers

In addition, we do have Spiders, but the wiz in charge of those disappeared and demons were never implemented, therefore the guild is completely useless and could safely be removed from the reincsim.

Skill/Spell errors:
Tarmalen skill, Way of the Tarmalen. Flower only.
Tarmalen spell, Bless ship. Flower only.
Iron Will is, according to reincsim a requirement to have at 91%, yet I have 90% in HC. (No big deal though..)
Conjurer spell, Ship armour. Flower only.
Basically any skill/spell that has anything to do with mounts or ships are non-existant in HC.

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As for the stats.. well, I made my current reinc on the HC reincsim:
Magical Background Duck Tarmalen(30)Conjurer(25), lvl 70.

HC Reincsim stats:
Str: 31 Dex: 47 Con: 35
Int: 103 Wis: 70*
Hp: 266 Sp: 739 Ep: 223


Real Stats (naked):
Str: 78 Dex: 127 Con: 91
Int: 247 Wis: 255**
Hp: 826 Sp: 1722** Ep: 352

*I accidently used Nomad background first.. and I had 80 wis.. I wonder why nomad would get more than magical :P
**This is with More Wisdom temporary boon. I'm not sure about the exact number (I'll have it in some 20-32 hours).

So, as you can see the stat calculation needs a bit of work.. I'll mail a wiz asking how stats per level works, but there is absolutely no guarantees I'll receive an answer.. atleast this century. All I can say for sure at this point is that we keep gaining tons of stats and Hp/Sp/Ep (up to the point of 400 Ep) up-to level 75.

EDIT: I won't be getting this information from a wiz.. simply because they aren't allowed to talk about code or how anything actually works (atleast on HC). Any other ideas of how to get this information? FYI, I'm not reincing into every race and checking their stats.. I may be a reincaholic but not to that extent :P

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Skill/Spellcosts

HC Reincsim costs:
Tarmalen skills - 28.6m
Tarmalen spells - 17.6m
Conjurer skills - 16.5m
Conjurer spells - 34m
Total Skills - 45.1m
Total Spells - 51.6m
Total: - 97m, Levelcost of 34.3m (taken from the HC number) not included

Real Costs:
Skills - 21 753 989 (21.7m)
Spells - 23 204 442 (23.2m)
Levels - 34 374 942 (34.3m)
Total - 79 333 373 (79.3m) (<- Yes, I'm a reinc addict)

So as you can see, the skill and spell costs are off.. and not exactly by half as I had previously assumed. Here are some numbers:

Skills: 21753989 / 45161116 = 0,4816973300659798. I.e* ~48%
Spells: 23204442 / 51710642 = 0,4487362968728951. I.e* ~45%
*I.e means "in other words"... right? :3

I'll be reincing in a few days, I'll then be able to tell if the skill/spellcost on HC is 48%/45% respectively of flowers costs - assuming you hadn't changed any costs yet.

I guess that's it for now. Now I'm off to play around with no BG-restriction reincs, whee!

Eq sim will be hard to get to work with our stats (or maybe not, I wouldn't know how it works really :P).

First of all, we get twice the normal stats from all eq. For example, Helmet of the Defender gives 6pr on flower (if it still does that, I don't know), but 12 on HC.

Second, we get _three_ times as much regen from all eq. For example, "magical, silk shirt" gives 5 hpr on flower, but 15 on HC.


In addition to all this I'd like to add that we don't just get hp/sp from our stats, but from every level. For example, a nomad lvl 75 barso (guildless) shows to have 1035 Hp, but it should be quite a bit over 2k (My duck reinc also shows about 350 Hp less and around 750 sp less than in reality). So for now I suggest adding some "random" modifier, like +4 to +5 hp and +8 or so sp per level upto 75 for magical backgrounds, and perhaps +13 to +15 hp per level for nomads (+15 should probably be for high hp/con races, like giant, cyclops, troll, ogre etc), just to see if it gets "a bit more realistic".
I won't be doing any civ/gr/er reincs for quite a while, so someone else please add those if you can :)

Hey!

How come leader checkbox was removed? Being race leader gives +5 to all stats.

Also, I was just wondering if it'd be possible to change max expcost of the subsequently specialized mage spells, atm they are all 229k at most per %, but in reality for every secondary type you get, that type is doubled in cost and cap so you'd get 229k max first types, 458k max second type etc.

And lastly, it seems most skill/spellcost ratios are too high - it got much better after capping costs, but something is still slightly off. I dunno what kind of info you'd want to see if there is a problem but if you have an idea then please reply :P

Anyway, thanks for the sim and keep up the good work :)


EDIT: I forgot to add what I know about how stats are gained by level. It's basically just your base stat x2 + guild and BG bonuses I think, but then again the only one I know about for sure is lich, they gain for example 53 int as base, totalling another 53 at lvl 75 (where you stop getting stats per level), giving you a total of 106 int. You gain another 18 from civilized so you'll have 124 int with no guild levels taken.

You also wrote you wanted a comparison of the stats, so here are my current, naked stats as level 75 Zombie with Conjurer(25), Druid(30), Nav(4) and 1 Barb guild levels taken, with magical BG:
Stat: current/racebase
Str: 84/42
Dex: 40/20
Con: 203/100
Int: 150/40
Wis: 215/85

the base maximums are 84/40/200/80/170 respectively, and whatever is showing above these are guild and BG bonuses.

Now for the stats showing on the reincsim:
Str: 108
Dex: 94
Con: 147
Int: 165
Wis: 172

As for stats by level I cant really say, you can choose to "advance <stat>" for faster growth in some stats you want, but in the end (at lvl 75) stats will always look EXACTLY the same, no matter how you chose to advance. As for particular stat gain per level, I'm not too sure if its higher stat gain in the earlier/later levels, or if it's exactly the same gain per level or whatever. In the end I think it'd be safe to say you gain a static amount of stats all the way upto 75, and since you're getting +100% of your base stats to begin with, thatäd be something like a 1.333333 etc percent (of the base) raise per level.

Anyway I could be wrong and I cant even remember what I wrote when I first started editing (just got home from work and feeling beat to death :P) so I'll just leave it at this and hope it'll help :)

I don't have a full int or con set, but I do have a wis set, so here's the score before and after wearing:

Hp: 1162 Sp: 1472 Ep: 321
Str: 84 Dex: 40 Con: 203
Int: 150 Wis: 275 (+60 from boon)
Cha: 50 Siz: 51



Hp: 1162 Sp: 1639 Ep: 305
Str: 80 Dex: 26 Con: 203
Int: 154 Wis: 449 (obviously still +60 from boon)
Cha: 50 Siz: 51

I can only train consider to 10% with my levels, and zero light/darkness, but here's a "cost train consider" chart.. hope it helps :)

Zombie 'cost train consider' chart:
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| Exp cost from 1% to 10% = 89 |
| Exp cost from 1% to 20% = 316 |
| Exp cost from 1% to 30% = 878 |
| Exp cost from 1% to 40% = 2228 |
| Exp cost from 1% to 50% = 5435 |
| Exp cost from 1% to 60% = 13046 |
| Exp cost from 1% to 70% = 31085 |
| Exp cost from 1% to 80% = 73805 |
| Exp cost from 1% to 90% = 174964 |
| Exp cost from 1% to 100% = 414463 |
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Hey again :)

So I saw you made some changes (don't know if they're completed yet at the time of posting though), so I decided to check them out :P

Heres what I ended up with:

Level 75 {Zombie} Druid(30)Conju(25)Nav(4)Barb(1) - Identical to my real reinc in skills/spells.
Stats shown on Reincsim:
Str: 89 Dex: 45 Con: 208 Int: 155 Wis: 219

Real stats:
Str: 89 Dex: 45 Con: 208 Int: 155 Wis: 215

It's gone pretty damn close now, I think the 4 extra wis are probably from druid or conju bonuses being wrong.


And now for expcosts:
Shown on Reincsim:
Skills: 18 467 464
Spells: 19 380 181

Real costs:
Skills: 31 193 054
Spells: 30 913 382

So instead of the problem being that costs are too high, now they're way too low :)
I'm not sure what info to post here to help fix this.. I'd post my show skills/spells and experience lists but I wouldn't want to be so spammy if I'm not sure it'll help :P

Alright, this post is going to be relatively.. huge. :P

Conju stuff (one of each "class" of expcost), all costs as Zombie.

Essence eye:
Exp cost from 1% to 10% = 157
Exp cost from 1% to 20% = 550
Exp cost from 1% to 30% = 1505
Exp cost from 1% to 40% = 3779
Exp cost from 1% to 50% = 9184
Exp cost from 1% to 60% = 21994
Exp cost from 1% to 70% = 52339
Exp cost from 1% to 80% = 124200
Exp cost from 1% to 90% = 294340
Exp cost from 1% to 100% = 697138

Mana control:
Exp cost from 1% to 10% = 517
Exp cost from 1% to 20% = 1766
Exp cost from 1% to 30% = 4742
Exp cost from 1% to 40% = 11800
Exp cost from 1% to 50% = 28523
Exp cost from 1% to 60% = 68129
Exp cost from 1% to 70% = 161919
Exp cost from 1% to 80% = 383971
Exp cost from 1% to 90% = 909672
Exp cost from 1% to 100% = 2154209

All "Cast generic/whatever" skills:
Exp cost from 1% to 10% = 649
Exp cost from 1% to 20% = 2201
Exp cost from 1% to 30% = 5892
Exp cost from 1% to 40% = 14651
Exp cost from 1% to 50% = 35405
Exp cost from 1% to 60% = 84558
Exp cost from 1% to 70% = 200936
Exp cost from 1% to 80% = 476464
Exp cost from 1% to 90% = 1128755
Exp cost from 1% to 100% = 2682228

Attack (hardly a "Conjurer thing", but it's there.. :P):
Exp cost from 1% to 10% = 765
Exp cost from 1% to 20% = 2602
Exp cost from 1% to 30% = 6968
Exp cost from 1% to 40% = 17325
Exp cost from 1% to 50% = 41863
Exp cost from 1% to 60% = 99974
Exp cost from 1% to 70% = 237555
Exp cost from 1% to 80% = 563280
Exp cost from 1% to 90% = 1334403
Exp cost from 1% to 100% = 3129909

Ceremony:
Exp cost from 1% to 10% = 958
Exp cost from 1% to 20% = 3243
Exp cost from 1% to 30% = 8665
Exp cost from 1% to 40% = 21521
Exp cost from 1% to 50% = 51970
Exp cost from 1% to 60% = 124076
Exp cost from 1% to 70% = 294795
Exp cost from 1% to 80% = 698960
Exp cost from 1% to 90% = 1655783
Exp cost from 1% to 100% = 3717600

Mastery of <Arcane stuffs>:
Exp cost from 1% to 10% = 1395
Exp cost from 1% to 20% = 4723
Exp cost from 1% to 30% = 12623
Exp cost from 1% to 40% = 31340
Exp cost from 1% to 50% = 75679
Exp cost from 1% to 60% = 180654
Exp cost from 1% to 70% = 429194
Exp cost from 1% to 80% = 1017595
Exp cost from 1% to 90% = 2410577
Exp cost from 1% to 100% = 4710567

Quick chant:
Exp cost from 1% to 10% = 1496
Exp cost from 1% to 20% = 5050
Exp cost from 1% to 30% = 13482
Exp cost from 1% to 40% = 33466
Exp cost from 1% to 50% = 80794
Exp cost from 1% to 60% = 192852
Exp cost from 1% to 70% = 458151
Exp cost from 1% to 80% = 1086237
Exp cost from 1% to 90% = 2590595
Exp cost from 1% to 100% = 4890585

Word of recall:
Exp cost from 1% to 10% = 70
Exp cost from 1% to 20% = 246
Exp cost from 1% to 30% = 673
Exp cost from 1% to 40% = 1698
Exp cost from 1% to 50% = 4136
Exp cost from 1% to 60% = 9920
Exp cost from 1% to 70% = 23627
Exp cost from 1% to 80% = 56088
Exp cost from 1% to 90% = 132956
Exp cost from 1% to 100% = 314940

Infravision/See invisible+magic/Water walking:
Exp cost from 1% to 10% = 88
Exp cost from 1% to 20% = 308
Exp cost from 1% to 30% = 841
Exp cost from 1% to 40% = 2112
Exp cost from 1% to 50% = 5138
Exp cost from 1% to 60% = 12316
Exp cost from 1% to 70% = 29327
Exp cost from 1% to 80% = 69608
Exp cost from 1% to 90% = 164987
Exp cost from 1% to 100% = 390793

Create food/Feather weight/Floating disc/Identify/Restore/Shelter:
Exp cost from 1% to 10% = 167
Exp cost from 1% to 20% = 578
Exp cost from 1% to 30% = 1565
Exp cost from 1% to 40% = 3913
Exp cost from 1% to 50% = 9483
Exp cost from 1% to 60% = 22680
Exp cost from 1% to 70% = 53939
Exp cost from 1% to 80% = 127952
Exp cost from 1% to 90% = 303182
Exp cost from 1% to 100% = 718023

Create air armour:
Exp cost from 1% to 10% = 198
Exp cost from 1% to 20% = 678
Exp cost from 1% to 30% = 1826
Exp cost from 1% to 40% = 4559
Exp cost from 1% to 50% = 11037
Exp cost from 1% to 60% = 26380
Exp cost from 1% to 70% = 62719
Exp cost from 1% to 80% = 148755
Exp cost from 1% to 90% = 352445
Exp cost from 1% to 100% = 834664

Mirror image:
Exp cost from 1% to 10% = 227
Exp cost from 1% to 20% = 774
Exp cost from 1% to 30% = 2076
Exp cost from 1% to 40% = 5174
Exp cost from 1% to 50% = 12515
Exp cost from 1% to 60% = 29909
Exp cost from 1% to 70% = 71094
Exp cost from 1% to 80% = 168614
Exp cost from 1% to 90% = 399492
Exp cost from 1% to 100% = 946079

Anti-magic field/Heal self/Magic Missile:
Exp cost from 1% to 10% = 250
Exp cost from 1% to 20% = 858
Exp cost from 1% to 30% = 2309
Exp cost from 1% to 40% = 5756
Exp cost from 1% to 50% = 13930
Exp cost from 1% to 60% = 33297
Exp cost from 1% to 70% = 79152
Exp cost from 1% to 80% = 187723
Exp cost from 1% to 90% = 444760
Exp cost from 1% to 100% = 1053274

Aura detection/Dispel magical protection:
Exp cost from 1% to 10% = 408
Exp cost from 1% to 20% = 1383
Exp cost from 1% to 30% = 3706
Exp cost from 1% to 40% = 9218
Exp cost from 1% to 50% = 22277
Exp cost from 1% to 60% = 53208
Exp cost from 1% to 70% = 126443
Exp cost from 1% to 80% = 299831
Exp cost from 1% to 90% = 710322
Exp cost from 1% to 100% = 1682113

Invisibility:
Exp cost from 1% to 10% = 429
Exp cost from 1% to 20% = 1458
Exp cost from 1% to 30% = 3905
Exp cost from 1% to 40% = 9712
Exp cost from 1% to 50% = 23468
Exp cost from 1% to 60% = 56042
Exp cost from 1% to 70% = 133169
Exp cost from 1% to 80% = 315768
Exp cost from 1% to 90% = 748057
Exp cost from 1% to 100% = 1771459

Iron will:
Exp cost from 1% to 10% = 450
Exp cost from 1% to 20% = 1528
Exp cost from 1% to 30% = 4098
Exp cost from 1% to 40% = 10193
Exp cost from 1% to 50% = 24629
Exp cost from 1% to 60% = 58819
Exp cost from 1% to 70% = 139771
Exp cost from 1% to 80% = 331427
Exp cost from 1% to 90% = 785158
Exp cost from 1% to 100% = 1859318

Resist dispel/Resist entropy:
Exp cost from 1% to 10% = 474
Exp cost from 1% to 20% = 1606
Exp cost from 1% to 30% = 4296
Exp cost from 1% to 40% = 10674
Exp cost from 1% to 50% = 25782
Exp cost from 1% to 60% = 61562
Exp cost from 1% to 70% = 146278
Exp cost from 1% to 80% = 346851
Exp cost from 1% to 90% = 821689
Exp cost from 1% to 100% = 1945813

Blurred image:
Exp cost from 1% to 10% = 483
Exp cost from 1% to 20% = 1638
Exp cost from 1% to 30% = 4386
Exp cost from 1% to 40% = 10905
Exp cost from 1% to 50% = 26345
Exp cost from 1% to 60% = 62913
Exp cost from 1% to 70% = 149493
Exp cost from 1% to 80% = 354471
Exp cost from 1% to 90% = 839745
Exp cost from 1% to 100% = 1988578

All minor prots (corrosion shield, energy channeling etc)/Quicksilver/Shield of protection/:
Exp cost from 1% to 10% = 493
Exp cost from 1% to 20% = 1671
Exp cost from 1% to 30% = 4478
Exp cost from 1% to 40% = 11136
Exp cost from 1% to 50% = 26908
Exp cost from 1% to 60% = 64254
Exp cost from 1% to 70% = 152683
Exp cost from 1% to 80% = 362041
Exp cost from 1% to 90% = 857677
Exp cost from 1% to 100% = 2031040

Resist disintegrate:
Exp cost from 1% to 10% = 515
Exp cost from 1% to 20% = 1745
Exp cost from 1% to 30% = 4667
Exp cost from 1% to 40% = 11599
Exp cost from 1% to 50% = 28023
Exp cost from 1% to 60% = 66919
Exp cost from 1% to 70% = 159007
Exp cost from 1% to 80% = 377027
Exp cost from 1% to 90% = 893175
Exp cost from 1% to 100% = 2115096

Displacement/Neutralize field:
Exp cost from 1% to 10% = 526
Exp cost from 1% to 20% = 1781
Exp cost from 1% to 30% = 4762
Exp cost from 1% to 40% = 11833
Exp cost from 1% to 50% = 28580
Exp cost from 1% to 60% = 68240
Exp cost from 1% to 70% = 162141
Exp cost from 1% to 80% = 384451
Exp cost from 1% to 90% = 910753
Exp cost from 1% to 100% = 2156713

Resist gaseous form:
Exp cost from 1% to 10% = 535
Exp cost from 1% to 20% = 1810
Exp cost from 1% to 30% = 4846
Exp cost from 1% to 40% = 12049
Exp cost from 1% to 50% = 29115
Exp cost from 1% to 60% = 69533
Exp cost from 1% to 70% = 165236
Exp cost from 1% to 80% = 391810
Exp cost from 1% to 90% = 928201
Exp cost from 1% to 100% = 2198046

Major prots/Suppress magic:
Exp cost from 1% to 10% = 556
Exp cost from 1% to 20% = 1883
Exp cost from 1% to 30% = 5034
Exp cost from 1% to 40% = 12509
Exp cost from 1% to 50% = 30214
Exp cost from 1% to 60% = 72139
Exp cost from 1% to 70% = 171408
Exp cost from 1% to 80% = 406426
Exp cost from 1% to 90% = 962809
Exp cost from 1% to 100% = 2279984

Armour of aether:
Exp cost from 1% to 10% = 584
Exp cost from 1% to 20% = 1980
Exp cost from 1% to 30% = 5301
Exp cost from 1% to 40% = 13172
Exp cost from 1% to 50% = 31819
Exp cost from 1% to 60% = 75974
Exp cost from 1% to 70% = 180515
Exp cost from 1% to 80% = 428014
Exp cost from 1% to 90% = 1013943
Exp cost from 1% to 100% = 2401067

Hmm.. it's still showing the same exp values. For example Cold Ray, it's showing 2 319 512 exp. It should be 5 094 476 exp (both to 100% as Sprite).

We don't have Melody of the Misadventurer on HC (THANK GOD!!!), heres Cold Ray(my primary type), Acid Blast(secondary) and Golden Arrow (tertiary)

Cold Ray:
Exp cost from 1% to 10% = 1613
Exp cost from 1% to 20% = 5447
Exp cost from 1% to 30% = 14541
Exp cost from 1% to 40% = 36084
Exp cost from 1% to 50% = 87105
Exp cost from 1% to 60% = 207903
Exp cost from 1% to 70% = 493899
Exp cost from 1% to 80% = 1170966
Exp cost from 1% to 90% = 2794486
Exp cost from 1% to 100% = 5094476


Acid Blast:
Exp cost from 1% to 10% = 3226
Exp cost from 1% to 20% = 10894
Exp cost from 1% to 30% = 29082
Exp cost from 1% to 40% = 72168
Exp cost from 1% to 50% = 174210
Exp cost from 1% to 60% = 415806
Exp cost from 1% to 70% = 987798
Exp cost from 1% to 80% = 2341932
Exp cost from 1% to 90% = 5588972
Exp cost from 1% to 100% = 10188952

Golden Arrow:
Exp cost from 1% to 10% = 4839
Exp cost from 1% to 20% = 16341
Exp cost from 1% to 30% = 43623
Exp cost from 1% to 40% = 108252
Exp cost from 1% to 50% = 261315
Exp cost from 1% to 60% = 623709
Exp cost from 1% to 70% = 1481697
Exp cost from 1% to 80% = 3512898
Exp cost from 1% to 90% = 8383458
Exp cost from 1% to 100% = 15283428

Ofcourse, all these spells are actually the same cost, they just go double, triple, quaduple etc the original cost for every next specialization. Can you implement this in Reincsim perhaps? Would help immensely with magereinc planning :)

The following quests do not exist on hc (atleast on the list in quest room):

LEVEL QUESTS
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Acquire documents
Assassin quest
Assassinate the fairy queen
Help liezeb
Help the hobbit
Inner sanctium of magerathia
Master hunter
Shamanic deed
Spy quest
St. patric's abbey
Successor of province
The valley of the kings
Thief quest
Tides of war
Victi vicimus
Wicked witch
Win assassination game


AREA QUESTS
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A day at the circus
Beaumont hamel
Competing architects
Conquer the known world
End the war
Escape in the village
Four elements
Haunted mansion
Help loretta
Lunar defender
Millie's nightmare
Mirror mine
Moonlight murders
Paladin stronghold
Rescue hannah's parents
Restless dead
Rise of the verminkin
Robbery in moonlight
Save ozymandius
Solo the haunted mansion
Solve mystery of the abandoned village
Spirits of vengeance
Sweet dreams
The ant hill
The living cave
The quest of legolas
Treasuries of the nocilis valley
White pudding

Hey!

Thought I'd make a little update.

It's not a very big deal but the last reinc/reinctax counter isn't necessary on the HC Reincsim, because we only have Mortis to reinc us, so our costs aren't the same as on flower. Also atm we have 1% fixed tax because of some tunes they made a while back, no idea when that's going to turn back to normal.

The stats and exp costs are looking great now, still don't have those hp/spmax formulas for you though :P

The extra hp/lvl should be following until lvl 75
Magical: 6
Relig: 7
Civilized: 10
Nomad: 13

Also, Full boon + bane gives 18 skill/spellmax in HC. The SIM is showing +17.

I haven't actually tested it myself, but that's what I was told :) You definitely get extra hps there though.