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Tarken wrote:
The way it was explained to me, and which makes sense, at a recent event was
that certain 'features' are exclusive to BatClient in an attempt to promote
the use of the BatClient. If everything was made available to all players on
all clients, then for what purpose was the thousands of euros and hours of
time put into the BatClient for if we're only going to hijack its features and
go back to what we were using? The idea was that something better was going to
be provided for us, and it has, yet people continually regard it as just
'something else to use' which just so happens to be maintained, funded, and
developed by the immortal staff of BatMUD, which is a darn shame at that, yet
unavoidable.
that certain 'features' are exclusive to BatClient in an attempt to promote
the use of the BatClient. If everything was made available to all players on
all clients, then for what purpose was the thousands of euros and hours of
time put into the BatClient for if we're only going to hijack its features and
go back to what we were using? The idea was that something better was going to
be provided for us, and it has, yet people continually regard it as just
'something else to use' which just so happens to be maintained, funded, and
developed by the immortal staff of BatMUD, which is a darn shame at that, yet
unavoidable.
have to boycott batclient just on sheer principle.
Obviously there are some things that can only work with batclient, player
portraits for example, and being able to target heals and stuff from that
party status window (atleast I hear you can do that? shrug). However if there
are features that could potentially be given to everyone but aren't just to
try 'encourage' people to use batclient, that's not value added to
batclient, that's simply value being denied to everything else.
I hope that this is just a rumour, but if not then maybe there should be a
focus on why people aren't using batclient, and fixing those things, rather
than just trying to bribe people to use a client which otherwise (in my
opinion, and I'm sure I'm not alone) just doesn't work as well, even for (and
maybe because of) all the features and gimmicks it has.
really haven't even taken a good look at it. The client can be customized to
be just like a good old TF, no map windows and anything. AND you can then add
that hp-status on top of that, how does that sound?
Honestly, the main reason for people not using batclient, as I see it, is the
old farts' reluctance to change and find out new possibilities, YOU included.
It's just that when you see something done different from what you've been
used to you consider it as a bad thing and don't give it much more thought.
And pardon my french, this wasn't meant to flame any single person but all of
you who have the balls to admit you fit the definition of a 'reluctant old
fart' (you still fall in even if you don't admit it).
-J
Rating:
-12
Votes:
26
Blasterr wrote:
Tarken wrote:
The way it was explained to me, and which makes sense, at a recent event was
that certain 'features' are exclusive to BatClient in an attempt to promote
the use of the BatClient. If everything was made available to all players on
all clients, then for what purpose was the thousands of euros and hours of
time put into the BatClient for if we're only going to hijack its features and
go back to what we were using? The idea was that something better was going to
be provided for us, and it has, yet people continually regard it as just
'something else to use' which just so happens to be maintained, funded, and
developed by the immortal staff of BatMUD, which is a darn shame at that, yet
unavoidable.
that certain 'features' are exclusive to BatClient in an attempt to promote
the use of the BatClient. If everything was made available to all players on
all clients, then for what purpose was the thousands of euros and hours of
time put into the BatClient for if we're only going to hijack its features and
go back to what we were using? The idea was that something better was going to
be provided for us, and it has, yet people continually regard it as just
'something else to use' which just so happens to be maintained, funded, and
developed by the immortal staff of BatMUD, which is a darn shame at that, yet
unavoidable.
have to boycott batclient just on sheer principle.
Obviously there are some things that can only work with batclient, player
portraits for example, and being able to target heals and stuff from that
party status window (atleast I hear you can do that? shrug). However if there
are features that could potentially be given to everyone but aren't just to
try 'encourage' people to use batclient, that's not value added to
batclient, that's simply value being denied to everything else.
I hope that this is just a rumour, but if not then maybe there should be a
focus on why people aren't using batclient, and fixing those things, rather
than just trying to bribe people to use a client which otherwise (in my
opinion, and I'm sure I'm not alone) just doesn't work as well, even for (and
maybe because of) all the features and gimmicks it has.
really haven't even taken a good look at it. The client can be customized to
be just like a good old TF, no map windows and anything. AND you can then add
that hp-status on top of that, how does that sound?
Honestly, the main reason for people not using batclient, as I see it, is the
old farts' reluctance to change and find out new possibilities, YOU included.
It's just that when you see something done different from what you've been
used to you consider it as a bad thing and don't give it much more thought.
And pardon my french, this wasn't meant to flame any single person but all of
you who have the balls to admit you fit the definition of a 'reluctant old
fart' (you still fall in even if you don't admit it).
-J
writing java plugins for it) it lacks one great feature - relocatability. I
work in companies where firewalls cover EVERY little hole, and the only thing
i can use is ssh. And that with proxies, whatnot. So I stick to TF so that it
runs on unix box where I can log on and get to Bat from anywhere.
^o^
Rating:
8
Votes:
8
Favorit
A r c h w i z a r d
5y, 221d, 3h, 27m, 18s old
Level:
600 [Wizard]
A few of my problems with batclient (And yes, I realise I can just not use
these features, but then there is little point for me to use batclient in the
first place)
Couple windows, atleast the map window, have those cute bat thingies around
the borders, problem is, they extend the 'border' of the window when putting
it up against the side or bottom or top of the screen, thus creating wasted
space. Not a big issue, but a pet peeve of mine.
Party status window, map window, maybe couple other window windows cannot be
resized. This might not be such a problem if these windows were different
sizes themselves, so I either have to have the wider one overlapping the
generic window, or again have wasted space.
Status window is pretty, but it's also kinda bulky for what it is, again, no
ability to resize, I guess considering the design this one is meant to be left
on top of the generic window or something, but unless I put it somewhere I
don't need to see text it just gets in the way, and if I put it somewhere else
then it's a pain to have to look back up there. Plus I'm not sure the design
fits with the aesthetic of the rest of the client. If we were able to have a
portrait thumbnail, and the status bars, down in a 'status bar' stretching
across the bottom of the screen as an option, and have it sit below the input
box, that'd be great. And the rest of the window which would be empty could be
made available for listing variables (so you could have your prots listed
there if you have some nifty prot triggers or something)
Maybe I just have a crappy computer, I dunno, whenever I ran rooms really
fast, or otherwise had a lot of incomming text at once, batclient SEEMED to
scroll through it really slow. I dunno what caused it, maybe it's the default
refresh rate? I asked around and nobody could tell me how to fix it.
It's 3am so I am probably forgetting some stuff. In any case, yes, I know
batclient is highly customisable and plugins can be created etc etc. That's
great for people who can code, but the ability to code shouldn't be a
requirement for batclient being a worthwhile experience. I could (and did when
I was testing it) shut off all those extra features and just have one plain
vanilla generic window, but if I'm doing that, then why SHOULD I change
clients. It would involve setting up a whole lot of my personalised triggers
all over again, and for what, just so I can say "See, I'm not an old fart, I
embrace change and progress!". The only problem is, without all those extra
features, batclient isn't change and progress.
Believe me, I want to like batclient, I've tried it three times now just to
see if I had changed my mind, it's still sitting on my computer. But no matter
what way I look at it, I can't justify changing to it in it's current form.
"Because it's batclient" isn't reason enough.
Oh, also, the option to have the windows snap together would rock. And like I
said, being able to resize some things (portraits might be hard to resize, but
if we can just turn the portraits off and be able to resize the party status
these features, but then there is little point for me to use batclient in the
first place)
Couple windows, atleast the map window, have those cute bat thingies around
the borders, problem is, they extend the 'border' of the window when putting
it up against the side or bottom or top of the screen, thus creating wasted
space. Not a big issue, but a pet peeve of mine.
Party status window, map window, maybe couple other window windows cannot be
resized. This might not be such a problem if these windows were different
sizes themselves, so I either have to have the wider one overlapping the
generic window, or again have wasted space.
Status window is pretty, but it's also kinda bulky for what it is, again, no
ability to resize, I guess considering the design this one is meant to be left
on top of the generic window or something, but unless I put it somewhere I
don't need to see text it just gets in the way, and if I put it somewhere else
then it's a pain to have to look back up there. Plus I'm not sure the design
fits with the aesthetic of the rest of the client. If we were able to have a
portrait thumbnail, and the status bars, down in a 'status bar' stretching
across the bottom of the screen as an option, and have it sit below the input
box, that'd be great. And the rest of the window which would be empty could be
made available for listing variables (so you could have your prots listed
there if you have some nifty prot triggers or something)
Maybe I just have a crappy computer, I dunno, whenever I ran rooms really
fast, or otherwise had a lot of incomming text at once, batclient SEEMED to
scroll through it really slow. I dunno what caused it, maybe it's the default
refresh rate? I asked around and nobody could tell me how to fix it.
It's 3am so I am probably forgetting some stuff. In any case, yes, I know
batclient is highly customisable and plugins can be created etc etc. That's
great for people who can code, but the ability to code shouldn't be a
requirement for batclient being a worthwhile experience. I could (and did when
I was testing it) shut off all those extra features and just have one plain
vanilla generic window, but if I'm doing that, then why SHOULD I change
clients. It would involve setting up a whole lot of my personalised triggers
all over again, and for what, just so I can say "See, I'm not an old fart, I
embrace change and progress!". The only problem is, without all those extra
features, batclient isn't change and progress.
Believe me, I want to like batclient, I've tried it three times now just to
see if I had changed my mind, it's still sitting on my computer. But no matter
what way I look at it, I can't justify changing to it in it's current form.
"Because it's batclient" isn't reason enough.
Oh, also, the option to have the windows snap together would rock. And like I
said, being able to resize some things (portraits might be hard to resize, but
if we can just turn the portraits off and be able to resize the party status
Rating:
6
Votes:
8
I'm not accustomed to "me too" posting. However, Lavitz (#9417) and Favorit
(#9416) just described almost every problem I have with Bat client. I can't
use it from work because it doesn't support ssh. The interface wastes a ton of
space due to non-resizeable windows and decorations. The benefits don't
currently outweigh the investment cost of converting all my personal triggers
and commands.
And one more problem (unless this was fixed in a recent build) is that the
popup menu input boxes don't work on Mac OS X, so new channel windows can't be
created within the UI nor can channels be added to existing windows.
I too have tried the client on three separate occasions and each time and
returned to my currently flawed client-with-a-memory-leak-which-crashes-when-it
-hits-2.5GB-of-VM footprint-but-is-still-more-useable-than-bat-client-despite-n
eeding-to-restart-it-several-times-during-a-party. Considering my current
client, I think it should be clear just how much I _want_ bat client to rock.
But the lack of ssh makes it dead to me.
(#9416) just described almost every problem I have with Bat client. I can't
use it from work because it doesn't support ssh. The interface wastes a ton of
space due to non-resizeable windows and decorations. The benefits don't
currently outweigh the investment cost of converting all my personal triggers
and commands.
And one more problem (unless this was fixed in a recent build) is that the
popup menu input boxes don't work on Mac OS X, so new channel windows can't be
created within the UI nor can channels be added to existing windows.
I too have tried the client on three separate occasions and each time and
returned to my currently flawed client-with-a-memory-leak-which-crashes-when-it
-hits-2.5GB-of-VM footprint-but-is-still-more-useable-than-bat-client-despite-n
eeding-to-restart-it-several-times-during-a-party. Considering my current
client, I think it should be clear just how much I _want_ bat client to rock.
But the lack of ssh makes it dead to me.
Rating:
5
Votes:
9
Beliar wrote:
I'm not accustomed to "me too" posting. However, Lavitz (#9417) and Favorit
(#9416) just described almost every problem I have with Bat client. I can't
use it from work because it doesn't support ssh. The interface wastes a ton of
space due to non-resizeable windows and decorations. The benefits don't
currently outweigh the investment cost of converting all my personal triggers
and commands.
And one more problem (unless this was fixed in a recent build) is that the
popup menu input boxes don't work on Mac OS X, so new channel windows can't be
created within the UI nor can channels be added to existing windows.
I too have tried the client on three separate occasions and each time and
returned to my currently flawed client-with-a-memory-leak-which-crashes-when-it
-hits-2.5GB-of-VM footprint-but-is-still-more-useable-than-bat-client-despite-n
eeding-to-restart-it-several-times-during-a-party. Considering my current
client, I think it should be clear just how much I _want_ bat client to rock.
But the lack of ssh makes it dead to me.
(#9416) just described almost every problem I have with Bat client. I can't
use it from work because it doesn't support ssh. The interface wastes a ton of
space due to non-resizeable windows and decorations. The benefits don't
currently outweigh the investment cost of converting all my personal triggers
and commands.
And one more problem (unless this was fixed in a recent build) is that the
popup menu input boxes don't work on Mac OS X, so new channel windows can't be
created within the UI nor can channels be added to existing windows.
I too have tried the client on three separate occasions and each time and
returned to my currently flawed client-with-a-memory-leak-which-crashes-when-it
-hits-2.5GB-of-VM footprint-but-is-still-more-useable-than-bat-client-despite-n
eeding-to-restart-it-several-times-during-a-party. Considering my current
client, I think it should be clear just how much I _want_ bat client to rock.
But the lack of ssh makes it dead to me.
Rating:
1
Votes:
3
Ramjett
C o d e s l a v e
25y, 304d, 11h, 34m, 35s old
Level:
28 [Wizard] Blasterr wrote:
Tarken wrote:
The way it was explained to me, and which makes sense, at a recent event was
that certain 'features' are exclusive to BatClient in an attempt to promote
the use of the BatClient. If everything was made available to all players on
all clients, then for what purpose was the thousands of euros and hours of
time put into the BatClient for if we're only going to hijack its features and
go back to what we were using? The idea was that something better was going to
be provided for us, and it has, yet people continually regard it as just
'something else to use' which just so happens to be maintained, funded, and
developed by the immortal staff of BatMUD, which is a darn shame at that, yet
unavoidable.
that certain 'features' are exclusive to BatClient in an attempt to promote
the use of the BatClient. If everything was made available to all players on
all clients, then for what purpose was the thousands of euros and hours of
time put into the BatClient for if we're only going to hijack its features and
go back to what we were using? The idea was that something better was going to
be provided for us, and it has, yet people continually regard it as just
'something else to use' which just so happens to be maintained, funded, and
developed by the immortal staff of BatMUD, which is a darn shame at that, yet
unavoidable.
have to boycott batclient just on sheer principle.
Obviously there are some things that can only work with batclient, player
portraits for example, and being able to target heals and stuff from that
party status window (atleast I hear you can do that? shrug). However if there
are features that could potentially be given to everyone but aren't just to
try 'encourage' people to use batclient, that's not value added to
batclient, that's simply value being denied to everything else.
I hope that this is just a rumour, but if not then maybe there should be a
focus on why people aren't using batclient, and fixing those things, rather
than just trying to bribe people to use a client which otherwise (in my
opinion, and I'm sure I'm not alone) just doesn't work as well, even for (and
maybe because of) all the features and gimmicks it has.
really haven't even taken a good look at it. The client can be customized to
be just like a good old TF, no map windows and anything. AND you can then add
that hp-status on top of that, how does that sound?
Honestly, the main reason for people not using batclient, as I see it, is the
old farts' reluctance to change and find out new possibilities, YOU included.
It's just that when you see something done different from what you've been
used to you consider it as a bad thing and don't give it much more thought.
And pardon my french, this wasn't meant to flame any single person but all of
you who have the balls to admit you fit the definition of a 'reluctant old
fart' (you still fall in even if you don't admit it).
-J
it is easy , with batlcient not. Yes it looks nice , and has a lot of nice
features , but if i want a tigger that says that my persekilpi is up when
someone casts aoa at me , then thats what i want. i dont want a trigger that
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