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#1
03 Oct 2003 13:25
 
 
Since this seems to be the hot topic huppu vs. the rest of us now, I\'d
like to emphasize my own opinions too.

I have played this game for about 8 years, more or less. The beginning
years were without boons, then I donated for 1 full boon and after 2 years
or so I donated for 3.5 boons that I have now.

Summary: You can\'t really play this game without having 1 full boon.
That is, if you are an average player without much will to lead anything
around or have some powerful friends helping you.

With one full boon at the time it was impossible to be a defender, but
this has changed because physres boon and \'ambushfree\' were removed.
The caster guilds were OK, you got that int or wis boon to go with. The
lesser races turned out to be real bad for playing and you only had a
selection of choices for each background (maybe 3-4 races).

With 3.5 full boons I know have it is possible to play any combo and any
race there is. Only downfall to some 7+ boon is maybe semitank -combos.

HOWEVER, before you flame this post it IS possible, as some prestigeous
players have shown, to explore things yourself and collect the parties so
that you can win every single mob in the game (No, I haven\'t killed
every single mob of the game so I don\'t know for sure).

And then to the opinions about boons: They SHOULD not be halved or
something. This would be kind of \'letting down\' the people who have
donated precious money to the game. You can be as hypocritical as you want
but I would have NOT donated any money to the game if I didn\'t know I
was going to get the amount of tps promised.

However, I agree that boons should be tuned so that they are not the major
thing defining whether player is good or not. Some things that you CANNOT
get with boons are for example spregen, physres, avoid and nowadays
hitpoints too. All of these are maybe the most essential stats when it
comes to killing monsters, big or small. That\'s one reason why boons
aren\'t in overtune.

However, a combination of eq and many boons is pretty overwhelming. At
that point exp loses its significance especially when it comes to being an
offtank as some rebirthers have shown.

Boons cause some problems, but in my opinion the problem is not the boons
but other things combined to boons. And if someone still made it this far
I thank you for reading this post. :)

 
 
 
Nargar
1y, 54d, 5h, 5m, 1s old
Level:
80
 
 
#2
03 Oct 2003 13:34
 
 
Quote:
I have played this game for about 8 years, more or less. The beginning
years were without boons, then I donated for 1 full boon and after 2
years
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or so I donated for 3.5 boons that I have now.
I\'ve played for nine years and donated my boons 3 years ago .. or
something pretty close to that anyway.

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And then to the opinions about boons: They SHOULD not be halved or
something. This would be kind of \'letting down\' the people who
have
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donated precious money to the game. You can be as hypocritical as you
want
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but I would have NOT donated any money to the game if I didn\'t know
I
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was going to get the amount of tps promised.
Con boon already was tuned - caused no major uproar.. same with physres
boon removed. Why couldn\'t others?
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thing defining whether player is good or not. Some things that you
CANNOT
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get with boons are for example spregen, physres, avoid and nowadays
hitpoints too. All of these are maybe the most essential stats when it
comes to killing monsters, big or small. That\'s one reason why boons
aren\'t in overtune.
+52con from boons is pretty many \'hit points\', 10% physical
resistance from \'resist any damage\' is pretty much physical
resistance. Moon improvement effectively is +spregen and +spmax. +76dex
from boon is +lots of avoid. More things you \'cant get\'?
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Boons cause some problems, but in my opinion the problem is not the
boons
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but other things combined to boons.
Ofcourse it\'s the combination, boons without the game wouldn\'t be
too unbalancing if we take this to an extreme.
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And if someone still made it this far
I thank you for reading this post. :)
No, thank you for giving me something to reply to:)

 
 
 
Huppu
1y, 163d, 9h, 55m, 7s old
Level:
79
 
 
#3
03 Oct 2003 13:38
 
 
Quote:
Con boon already was tuned - caused no major uproar.. same with physres
boon removed. Why couldn\'t others?
The point is boons should be tuned as they are noticed to be in overtune.
The physres was in overtune for example at the time, same with the con
boon. I don\'t see any other such uber boons at the moment (i.e.
something you can\'t just play with)
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+52con from boons is pretty many \'hit points\', 10% physical
resistance from \'resist any damage\' is pretty much physical
resistance. Moon improvement effectively is +spregen and +spmax. +76dex
from boon is +lots of avoid. More things you \'cant get\'?
The point was again that moon improvement for example isn\'t half as
good as a decent spr set, also it doesn\'t help at all when the moon is
at its best. Resist any -boon does not fully stack with physres eq (and is
only 10/max 40). 52con requires already 2 boons and is still good but from
society you can get 60 and with eq much more. 76dex in avoid is maybe as
good as 3 good avoid eqs.

So the point was, yes you can improve them but you can\'t get them high
enough simply with a boon.
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Ofcourse it\'s the combination, boons without the game wouldn\'t be
too unbalancing if we take this to an extreme.
Woah, looks like you found the perfect solution.

 
 
 
Nargar
1y, 54d, 5h, 39m, 46s old
Level:
80
 
 
#4
03 Oct 2003 13:38
 
 
Quote:
> Con boon already was tuned - caused no major uproar.. same with
physres
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> boon removed. Why couldn\'t others?

The point is boons should be tuned as they are noticed to be in
overtune.
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The physres was in overtune for example at the time, same with the con
boon. I don\'t see any other such uber boons at the moment (i.e.
something you can\'t just play with)
So, you just couldn\'t play without that extra +20con in the con boon,
but you can easily play with the missing 40 that it is now? That\'s very
odd.
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Resist any -boon does not fully stack with physres eq (and is
only 10/max 40).
Stacks normally.

 
 
 
Huppu
1y, 163d, 9h, 55m, 7s old
Level:
79