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#1
20 Nov 2004 11:16
 
 
remove it - It hasn't been enforced enough to be a real rule

Lurppa Mc-Leech is a level 48 mortal of the Duck race.
Paskiainen Armas is a level 37 mortal of the Ogre race.

...just a few examples. No offence guys, you just were the only ones online
atm.

 
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Kimvais
3y, 155d, 14h, 37m, 53s old
Level:
30
 
 
#2
20 Nov 2004 21:20
 
 
Kimvais wrote:
remove it - It hasn't been enforced enough to be a real rule

Lurppa Mc-Leech is a level 48 mortal of the Duck race.
Paskiainen Armas is a level 37 mortal of the Ogre race.

...just a few examples. No offence guys, you just were the only ones online
atm.
Does not seem any more silly than your name

 
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Duke
A r c h w i z a r d
1y, 103d, 7h, 37m, 22s old
Level:
420 [Wizard]
 
 
#3
20 Nov 2004 22:27
 
 
Duke wrote:
Kimvais wrote:
remove it - It hasn't been enforced enough to be a real rule

Lurppa Mc-Leech is a level 48 mortal of the Duck race.
Paskiainen Armas is a level 37 mortal of the Ogre race.

...just a few examples. No offence guys, you just were the only ones online
atm.
Does not seem any more silly than your name
Lurppa means something like "limp, flaccid" and paskiainen is usually
translated as bastard, though literally it is something shit-related.

 
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Kimvais
3y, 156d, 2h, 14m, 20s old
Level:
30
 
 
#4
21 Nov 2004 04:12
 
 
Kimvais wrote:
Duke wrote:
Kimvais wrote:
remove it - It hasn't been enforced enough to be a real rule

Lurppa Mc-Leech is a level 48 mortal of the Duck race.
Paskiainen Armas is a level 37 mortal of the Ogre race.

...just a few examples. No offence guys, you just were the only ones online
atm.
Does not seem any more silly than your name
Lurppa means something like "limp, flaccid" and paskiainen is usually
translated as bastard, though literally it is something shit-related.
Language of mud is english though so translation is irrevalent except in
"extreme" cases. And even still I dont think Limp is such a silly name nor
bastard. I don't think it is the coolest name on earth either, but personally
I always assumed the rule was geared more towards name like 'fsgewfq' although
we do even have people with names like that.

 
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Duke
A r c h w i z a r d
1y, 103d, 10h, 41m, 33s old
Level:
420 [Wizard]
 
 
#5
21 Nov 2004 05:10
 
 
Duke wrote:
Kimvais wrote:
Duke wrote:
Kimvais wrote:
remove it - It hasn't been enforced enough to be a real rule

Lurppa Mc-Leech is a level 48 mortal of the Duck race.
Paskiainen Armas is a level 37 mortal of the Ogre race.

...just a few examples. No offence guys, you just were the only ones online
atm.
Does not seem any more silly than your name
Lurppa means something like "limp, flaccid" and paskiainen is usually
translated as bastard, though literally it is something shit-related.
Language of mud is english though so translation is irrevalent except in
"extreme" cases. And even still I dont think Limp is such a silly name nor
bastard. I don't think it is the coolest name on earth either, but personally
I always assumed the rule was geared more towards name like 'fsgewfq' although
we do even have people with names like that.
Indeed, I remember the days of the annoying character 'Sw' - I think he must
have gotten spammed every few seconds by merchants looking for minerals to
mine.

 
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Melemkor
W i z a r d
31y, 355d, 11h, 22m, 54s old
Level:
90 [Wizard]
 
 
#6
21 Nov 2004 12:10
 
 
Duke wrote:
Kimvais wrote:
Duke wrote:
Kimvais wrote:
remove it - It hasn't been enforced enough to be a real rule

Lurppa Mc-Leech is a level 48 mortal of the Duck race.
Paskiainen Armas is a level 37 mortal of the Ogre race.

...just a few examples. No offence guys, you just were the only ones online
atm.
Does not seem any more silly than your name
Lurppa means something like "limp, flaccid" and paskiainen is usually
translated as bastard, though literally it is something shit-related.
Language of mud is english though so translation is irrevalent except in
"extreme" cases. And even still I dont think Limp is such a silly name nor
bastard. I don't think it is the coolest name on earth either, but personally
I always assumed the rule was geared more towards name like 'fsgewfq' although
we do even have people with names like that.
Direct quote from help file:
New characters that are created on purpose with a silly name, can and will be
removed or renamed without warning. This is equally true for all languages
(finnish and english included).

So perhaps finnish arches should decide if some name is silly in finnish, not
a non-finnish arch.

 
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Martow
1y, 158d, 8h, 56m, 42s old
Level:
73
 
 
#7
21 Nov 2004 13:21
 
 
Martow wrote:
Duke wrote:
Kimvais wrote:
Duke wrote:
Kimvais wrote:
remove it - It hasn't been enforced enough to be a real rule

Lurppa Mc-Leech is a level 48 mortal of the Duck race.
Paskiainen Armas is a level 37 mortal of the Ogre race.

...just a few examples. No offence guys, you just were the only ones online
atm.
Does not seem any more silly than your name
Lurppa means something like "limp, flaccid" and paskiainen is usually
translated as bastard, though literally it is something shit-related.
Language of mud is english though so translation is irrevalent except in
"extreme" cases. And even still I dont think Limp is such a silly name nor
bastard. I don't think it is the coolest name on earth either, but personally
I always assumed the rule was geared more towards name like 'fsgewfq' although
we do even have people with names like that.
Direct quote from help file:
New characters that are created on purpose with a silly name, can and will be
removed or renamed without warning. This is equally true for all languages
(finnish and english included).

So perhaps finnish arches should decide if some name is silly in finnish, not
a non-finnish arch.
some names are silly, some are not, its part of the game to find the silly
ones.

\o/

 
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Cilwand
107d, 11h, 34m, 11s old
Level:
99
 
 
#8
22 Nov 2004 07:06
 
 
Martow wrote:
Duke wrote:
Kimvais wrote:
Duke wrote:
Kimvais wrote:
remove it - It hasn't been enforced enough to be a real rule

Lurppa Mc-Leech is a level 48 mortal of the Duck race.
Paskiainen Armas is a level 37 mortal of the Ogre race.

...just a few examples. No offence guys, you just were the only ones online
atm.
Does not seem any more silly than your name
Lurppa means something like "limp, flaccid" and paskiainen is usually
translated as bastard, though literally it is something shit-related.
Language of mud is english though so translation is irrevalent except in
"extreme" cases. And even still I dont think Limp is such a silly name nor
bastard. I don't think it is the coolest name on earth either, but personally
I always assumed the rule was geared more towards name like 'fsgewfq' although
we do even have people with names like that.
Direct quote from help file:
New characters that are created on purpose with a silly name, can and will be
removed or renamed without warning. This is equally true for all languages
(finnish and english included).

So perhaps finnish arches should decide if some name is silly in finnish, not
a non-finnish arch.

It is interesting that you include a exerpt from a help file as if to provide
some logical strength to your argument yet fail to realize the simple concept
that nationality is not a prerequisite to speaking a language or translating a
single word in a languge. If you wish to take the path of the lawyer then it
would be best to follow that fully.

That being said, I stand by my opinion that the two names given in the
original thread are not indeed silly. In fact you really didn't even touch on
the contents of the thread which was discussing the silly names Kimvais
mentioned.

I shall now use your own method against you.

To interupt a thread with the sole purpose of attempting to undermine the
authority of an archwizard is impolite. (reference help file 'politeness')

Additionally, you spoke to state that I was incorrect by trying to reference
a helpfile. Yet an archwizard is always right (reference help file
'archwizards are always right').

Now it would be within my power to zap you (reference help file 'whim death')
or perhaps even remove you (reference help file 'whim removal') but instead I
will invoke the power to whack you with a m00se (refenced in help file
'archwizards are always right')





 
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Duke
A r c h w i z a r d
1y, 103d, 10h, 44m, 40s old
Level:
420 [Wizard]
 
 
#9
22 Nov 2004 17:43
 
 
I see, you decided to take defensive stance instead of being objective. Now
let's see your first reply. which was:

"Does not seem any more silly than your name."

I'd like to know how did you conclude that those examples aren't silly? Did
you consider the names in the language that majority of players have as their
native language, finnish? Or just english? I guess Kimvais should have said
that those names are silly in finnish, but anyway my point was in my last post
(and still is), that unless you understand a language enough, you can't judge
if a name is silly or not. So before saying anything about sillyness of any
name, it should be considered in all major languages present in the mud
(finnish and english at least).

I understand that you like to point out that you are an arch and have gained
significant amount of power here, but still I hope that we could all stick to
the matters in the discussion and try not to plead to personal status.

 
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Martow
1y, 158d, 12h, 35m, 46s old
Level:
73
 
 
#10
22 Nov 2004 17:47
 
 
Martow wrote:
I see, you decided to take defensive stance instead of being objective. Now
let's see your first reply. which was:

"Does not seem any more silly than your name."

I'd like to know how did you conclude that those examples aren't silly? Did
you consider the names in the language that majority of players have as their
native language, finnish? Or just english? I guess Kimvais should have said
that those names are silly in finnish, but anyway my point was in my last post
(and still is), that unless you understand a language enough, you can't judge
if a name is silly or not. So before saying anything about sillyness of any
name, it should be considered in all major languages present in the mud
(finnish and english at least).

I understand that you like to point out that you are an arch and have gained
significant amount of power here, but still I hope that we could all stick to
the matters in the discussion and try not to plead to personal status.
Just ignore the players you think has silly names, m'kaaaaay?

 
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Nullnullatte
230d, 16h, 4m, 26s old
Level:
78
 
 
#11
22 Nov 2004 18:01
 
 
Nullnullatte wrote:
Martow wrote:
I see, you decided to take defensive stance instead of being objective. Now
let's see your first reply. which was:

"Does not seem any more silly than your name."

I'd like to know how did you conclude that those examples aren't silly? Did
you consider the names in the language that majority of players have as their
native language, finnish? Or just english? I guess Kimvais should have said
that those names are silly in finnish, but anyway my point was in my last post
(and still is), that unless you understand a language enough, you can't judge
if a name is silly or not. So before saying anything about sillyness of any
name, it should be considered in all major languages present in the mud
(finnish and english at least).

I understand that you like to point out that you are an arch and have gained
significant amount of power here, but still I hope that we could all stick to
the matters in the discussion and try not to plead to personal status.
Just ignore the players you think has silly names, m'kaaaaay?
Personaly I think he was VERY nice to even have a joking gesture about a
party moose at the end, If I were him I would have completley reamed you
in the news post and left you with no dignity. but he did, and now you
have the balls to come back and tell him hes wrong, and STILL has no
position to make his judgement call? Why dont you wiz, bust YOUR ass to
become and arch then maybe when you see the grand scheme of things in
its entirety, you wont give a shit about silly names period.
the name isnt silly enough, you lose, game over, 1-0, shutout game
the fat lady has sung, pigs are flying, your wrong.

- blackstar -

 
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Blackstar
151d, 11h, 42m, 31s old
Level:
45
 
 
#12
22 Nov 2004 18:14
 
 
Nullnullatte wrote:
Martow wrote:
I see, you decided to take defensive stance instead of being objective. Now
let's see your first reply. which was:

"Does not seem any more silly than your name."

I'd like to know how did you conclude that those examples aren't silly? Did
you consider the names in the language that majority of players have as their
native language, finnish? Or just english? I guess Kimvais should have said
that those names are silly in finnish, but anyway my point was in my last post
(and still is), that unless you understand a language enough, you can't judge
if a name is silly or not. So before saying anything about sillyness of any
name, it should be considered in all major languages present in the mud
(finnish and english at least).

I understand that you like to point out that you are an arch and have gained
significant amount of power here, but still I hope that we could all stick to
the matters in the discussion and try not to plead to personal status.
Just ignore the players you think has silly names, m'kaaaaay?
The original point of my post was that characters with ridiculous/offensive/pla
in stupid names make the whole mud look stupid and give an impression of
average 13 yr old player base.
If I stumble upon a new multiplayer game and along the few first lines of
player-player communication i see something like:
"Shitlip [bat]: oo man I'm so horny" or "Pissmoomin tells you 'hi! welcome to
b4tm00d'"
...I'll prolly press quit and move along to next candidate.
The question is, do we want the players who feel discouraged by things like
that or the player who get encouraged to venture forward...

But then again, archwizards are always right and neiher Lurppa or Paskiainen
are silly names

 
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Kimvais
3y, 157d, 21h, 4m, 27s old
Level:
30
 
 
#13
23 Nov 2004 07:45
 
 
Martow wrote:
I see, you decided to take defensive stance instead of being objective. Now
let's see your first reply. which was:

"Does not seem any more silly than your name."

I'd like to know how did you conclude that those examples aren't silly? Did
you consider the names in the language that majority of players have as their
native language, finnish? Or just english? I guess Kimvais should have said
that those names are silly in finnish, but anyway my point was in my last post
(and still is), that unless you understand a language enough, you can't judge
if a name is silly or not. So before saying anything about sillyness of any
name, it should be considered in all major languages present in the mud
(finnish and english at least).

I understand that you like to point out that you are an arch and have gained
significant amount of power here, but still I hope that we could all stick to
the matters in the discussion and try not to plead to personal status.

Firstly, the reasonable thing to do is to end this discussion but I admit it
to be fun so let's continue.

When I said it does not seem anymore silly that your name, I didn't mean that
Kimvais was a silly name just that it was no more silly than the others (to
me). I made my first statement without any consideration to the finnish
translation of the name, but please keep in mind that Kimvais did not present
the fact that he (I am assuming Kimvais is a he for ease of the text) felt the
name was silly when taken as its finnish meaning. The post was in english, so
why should I have assumed the name had a finnish meaning that was to be taken
as silly?

Additionally, after I made the post it did occur to me that perhaps there was
a finnish translation of the names because I assumed Kimvais had some sense.
I did reference some translations for one of the names and Kimvais then did
repsond with a rough translation of which I still think they are not that
silly.

You state that unless you understand a language enough then you cannot judge
if a name is silly or not. This perhaps might be true but you touch on a
deeper point that transcends language. That is the point of personal
relevance and interpretation. Even two different native finnish speakers
might have a different opinion as two whether the two ames are silly. It
seems to have little to do with native language and more to do with personal
perception. That being said it should be quite clear that no final concensus
could really be achieved regarding the sillyness of a name when involving any
population of people.

So I still contend that your assertion of letting an archwizard of the
nationality of the language the name is in make the decision is still not
really based on any logical fact. Other than perhaps you would accept the
opinion of someone who spoke the native language the name is in which in that
case I cannot argue with that because judgement of a rule such as silly names
will always come to opinion.

To conclude my position: Because even a native language finnish person cannot
conclusively deem a name as silly without it being a mere opinion it follows
that their opinion is no more valid than a non finn speaking (when the said
name is in finnish that is). Therefore my reference to the archwizard rules
status etc was A) mostly kidding but also B) pointing out that sometimes
someone just has to make a decision. But even still maybe just maybe that by
not speaking the language it qualifies me even more so than one who does :)

I end with a name that I think is a good example of perception whether or not
you speak english as native language or even not at all: skatman (silly or not
silly? offensive or not offensive? dirty or clean? depends on how you read it)

 
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Duke
A r c h w i z a r d
1y, 103d, 11h, 16m, 46s old
Level:
420 [Wizard]
 
 
#14
22 Nov 2004 08:10
 
 
Martow wrote:
Direct quote from help file:
Quote:
So perhaps finnish arches should decide if some name is silly in finnish, not
a non-finnish arch.
Well, I just invented a language, and the word 'Martow' translates to "Ooga is
a poopoohead"...so I'd like to invoke the rules mentioned in 'help silly
names' to have Martow removed for having a silly and offensive name.

 
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Ooga
N e w b i e  H e l p e r
1y, 280d, 9h, 43m, 59s old
Level:
48
 
 
#15
22 Nov 2004 14:08
 
 
Ooga wrote:
Martow wrote:
Direct quote from help file:
Quote:
So perhaps finnish arches should decide if some name is silly in finnish, not
a non-finnish arch.
Well, I just invented a language, and the word 'Martow' translates to "Ooga is
a poopoohead"...so I'd like to invoke the rules mentioned in 'help silly
names' to have Martow removed for having a silly and offensive name.
If you have to write sarcastically, at least use good sarcasm and do it with
style :)

 
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Darol
284d, 23h, 20m, 48s old
Level:
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