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#1
09 Mar 2005 20:34
 
 
Quote:
Glaurung wrote:
downgrade gnolls, they are not bad enough for the exprate they have.

upgrade giants & cyclopses, they are not good enough for the exprate they
have.
why? they have shitty hpratio. try to play gnoll without ss con bonus or
boons..

This is the main problem with the balance between the races.

There are 3 types of races:

1) Races that are ok without boons. This type usually gets terrible exp rates
or other annoyances since so many people are forced to play them. Most of
these sooner or later get tuned to type #3.

2) Races that have disadvantages that can be fixed with boons. Gnolls are the
king of this race category. Suffeli.

3) Races that have disadvantages that can not be fixed with boons. Unplayable
newbie races. There are very many in this category. Terrible \'specials\'.
Terrible size. Terrible exp rate with multiple terrible stats/maxes/regens.


IMO, this is the main problem with boons on this mud. The races are tuned so
poorly that boons are a huge double advantage. Not only do booners have better
stats, but they can play a better race and have signifigantly better exp rate /
racial specials / whatever.

I know that boons are never going away. And it appears that tps will never be
seriously made available to non-donaters (though I will never be able to
figure out why not. What exactly would it hurt again? Why not make it so you
could get a boon or so by doing quests or something? Somehow I doubt that Bat
would fall under financial ruin. A subject for another whine I guess.)

But why do so many races have to be unplayable? What is the point?
Why not make more races reasonably playable by non-booners? Then if booners
play them, so they get a little uber. Whats new?


Anyway, I know how you all love to read newbie whines as your regen fodder.
There you go.
--Marvin the unbooned soloer
Just add some penalty for each boon one takes, like -3% exprate for 100% boon!
That oughta fix some things on some boonraces.

 
 
 
Diego
1y, 183d, 13h, 34m, 40s old
Level:
70
 
 
#2
10 Mar 2005 20:43
 
 
Marvin's post about races/boons. "boons are a huge double advantage", id
consider boons only as bonus, you can play any race, anyguild without
boons.And yes, they _might_ have better stats, but does it really matter?.


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"have signifigantly better exp rate", yet another which doesnt matter a thing.
Gnollinoids & Koboldinoids arent so wanted in eqparties mostly, there are
exceptions.
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"And it appears that tps will never be seriously made available to
non-donaters", getting pile of tps from quests would be harsh, since most of
those are doable within hours, try someday.(Since you seem to have pile of
those avail still)
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In the end, why dont you try something else than solo, since it doesnt get you
anywhere if you rape same certain areas for expa(sure you get exp, but thats
it). Go explore, learn quests, learn eqmobs, lead em, knowing those is _huge_
advantage, and makes you better.

 
 
 
Krokodiili
1y, 126d, 21h, 22m, 6s old
Level:
100
 
 
#3
10 Mar 2005 20:43
 
 
Quote:
Marvin\'s post about races/boons. \"boons are a huge double
advantage\", id consider boons only as bonus, you can play any race,
anyguild without boons.And yes, they _might_ have better stats, but
does it really matter?.
It is true that \"playable\" is a very subjective term. Certainly, a lot more
could be considered \"playable\" by me than to a minmaxer. And a lot more
would be considered playable by a RPGer or something than to me.

My point was not to whine about boons. It was just to point out why many
\'bad\' races are still in frequent use by current batmud players and why so
many are not. You can fix gnoll\'s problems fairly easily with boons and get a
great exp rate. You can\'t do so much about barsoomian. Or centaur. Or leech.
Yes, some people still play those races, but not many, because they know that
they could do better in other races. Their advantage, like gnoll\'s exp, or
dwarf\'s skillmax, or zombie\'s spells or whatever, just isn\'t worth their
problems.

My definition of \"playable\" doesn\'t matter. Who race X shows pretty well
what is playable and what isn\'t.

Quote:
\"And it appears that tps will never be seriously made available to
non-donaters\", getting pile of tps from quests would be harsh,
since most of those are doable within hours, try someday. (Since you
seem to have pile of those avail still)
I certainly know how to do a lot more quests than I have done, but since the
easy quests aren\'t worth the time during a reinc when I would rather be
training skills, and the harder ones are almost without exception heavily
party oriented, I have not yet bothered. I really enjoy the (solo) quests on
here, like ackbar, and merchant toolbelt, etc (anybody know how to get that
damned safe open in kurya quest? =P) That was the only reason I mentioned that
as an option for tps. I agree that it would not serve any purpose to get tps
for buying Machine, or Silver Battlesuit, or whatever quest from some party.
Something different would have to be done.

Quote:
In the end, why dont you try something else than solo, since it
doesnt get you anywhere if you rape same certain areas for expa
(sure you get exp, but thats it). Go explore, learn quests, learn
eqmobs, lead em, knowing those is _huge_ advantage, and makes
you better.
I couldn\'t agree more with this. In the long-ago past I did used to do eq
somewhat (not Baal or anything, but still good, usable stuff) and it is easily
the best part of the game. And I do try to figure out how to get to different
areas, which monster has which eq and in which area, etc. Being led to those
areas just isn\'t the same as figuring it out yourself.

However, my situation right now requires that I solo. Nobody wants a party
leader who does idle-exp while at work, or suddenly goes afk if the kids wake
up at night. And as a lowbie stuck in a solo-exp reinc, I wont be leading much
eq any time soon. I don\'t see this changing at all in the near future, no
matter what I would rather do.

So, please totally change the mud to suit my needs. I want solo quests for tps,
a better selection of races to suit my playing style (or just those tps...),
and soloable midbie eq with name bonuses. Ok? Thanks. =)

--M

 
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Marvin
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