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With the current influx of new players, you could take a look at itemization
in this game. Some types of eq are simply unobtainable at low levels. For
instance, a lowlevel sprset is possible to gather with a rather lowpower team,
ie purple gloves, dirty leggings etc. Some statitems are also obtainable, ie
green gloves, dragon amulets etc.
One thing lacking is tank equipment. You have your merchantmade o-yoroi,
alchemistmade pr rings, and thats it. Where are the +1-2 pr items which might
be nice for lowbies? str/dex/avoids might be useful, but often the items are
so heavy that the items hinder more than they help. There are some dodge &
parry items ( spider gms) but they might not be too exciting for the serious
lowbie defenders.
I doubt that several new 1-2-3 pr items would be very unbalancing in the game,
the worstcase scenario is that lowerlevel people would be able to do things in
eq they obtian themselves. Specially if you look at what items there are, ie
if lowpr amulet, belt, gloves and boots would be added, they wouldn't affect
highbie power at all. They could be made to require a quest or be of a weak
material to make sure that highbies wont rape them for selling, sacworth tuned
down to make sure they won't be raped for sacitems etc.
in this game. Some types of eq are simply unobtainable at low levels. For
instance, a lowlevel sprset is possible to gather with a rather lowpower team,
ie purple gloves, dirty leggings etc. Some statitems are also obtainable, ie
green gloves, dragon amulets etc.
One thing lacking is tank equipment. You have your merchantmade o-yoroi,
alchemistmade pr rings, and thats it. Where are the +1-2 pr items which might
be nice for lowbies? str/dex/avoids might be useful, but often the items are
so heavy that the items hinder more than they help. There are some dodge &
parry items ( spider gms) but they might not be too exciting for the serious
lowbie defenders.
I doubt that several new 1-2-3 pr items would be very unbalancing in the game,
the worstcase scenario is that lowerlevel people would be able to do things in
eq they obtian themselves. Specially if you look at what items there are, ie
if lowpr amulet, belt, gloves and boots would be added, they wouldn't affect
highbie power at all. They could be made to require a quest or be of a weak
material to make sure that highbies wont rape them for selling, sacworth tuned
down to make sure they won't be raped for sacitems etc.
thing in the game. If I was an arch all physress items went to /dev/null and
armour protection would be uptuned and made more reasonable so that tanks
actually would wear ARMOUR istead of +dodge leopard skin thongs, silk vests
and whatnot.
Rating:
4
Votes:
24
Kimvais wrote:
With the current influx of new players, you could take a look at itemization
in this game. Some types of eq are simply unobtainable at low levels. For
instance, a lowlevel sprset is possible to gather with a rather lowpower team,
ie purple gloves, dirty leggings etc. Some statitems are also obtainable, ie
green gloves, dragon amulets etc.
One thing lacking is tank equipment. You have your merchantmade o-yoroi,
alchemistmade pr rings, and thats it. Where are the +1-2 pr items which might
be nice for lowbies? str/dex/avoids might be useful, but often the items are
so heavy that the items hinder more than they help. There are some dodge &
parry items ( spider gms) but they might not be too exciting for the serious
lowbie defenders.
I doubt that several new 1-2-3 pr items would be very unbalancing in the game,
the worstcase scenario is that lowerlevel people would be able to do things in
eq they obtian themselves. Specially if you look at what items there are, ie
if lowpr amulet, belt, gloves and boots would be added, they wouldn't affect
highbie power at all. They could be made to require a quest or be of a weak
material to make sure that highbies wont rape them for selling, sacworth tuned
down to make sure they won't be raped for sacitems etc.
in this game. Some types of eq are simply unobtainable at low levels. For
instance, a lowlevel sprset is possible to gather with a rather lowpower team,
ie purple gloves, dirty leggings etc. Some statitems are also obtainable, ie
green gloves, dragon amulets etc.
One thing lacking is tank equipment. You have your merchantmade o-yoroi,
alchemistmade pr rings, and thats it. Where are the +1-2 pr items which might
be nice for lowbies? str/dex/avoids might be useful, but often the items are
so heavy that the items hinder more than they help. There are some dodge &
parry items ( spider gms) but they might not be too exciting for the serious
lowbie defenders.
I doubt that several new 1-2-3 pr items would be very unbalancing in the game,
the worstcase scenario is that lowerlevel people would be able to do things in
eq they obtian themselves. Specially if you look at what items there are, ie
if lowpr amulet, belt, gloves and boots would be added, they wouldn't affect
highbie power at all. They could be made to require a quest or be of a weak
material to make sure that highbies wont rape them for selling, sacworth tuned
down to make sure they won't be raped for sacitems etc.
thing in the game. If I was an arch all physress items went to /dev/null and
armour protection would be uptuned and made more reasonable so that tanks
actually would wear ARMOUR istead of +dodge leopard skin thongs, silk vests
and whatnot.
point Glaurung was making. Good job Kimvais.
- blackstar -
Rating:
-1
Votes:
25
First of all, let me re-state that armour is more potent than a lot of people
think it is. But about the "I think pr is bullhonkey" I will say this:
-- already pr is heavily tuned. You cannot, for example, get a full set of pr
to get 100%, 90%, or even 50% physress.
-- if I had to name a difference between pr and armor, other than "pr is magic
and armour is not" (which isn't true anyhow), I would say that armour is
anything meant to stop a "typical" battle hit, regardless of the nature of the
attack, usually a physical obstruction like a steel vest or iron helm. On the
other hand, pr is something that makes the body more resistant to physical
harm from _any_ source, such as a force field, making the body more dense, or
allowing wounds to stop bleeding quickly to prevent cuts/bruises to cause less
damage -- something a garment could not provide. What does this mean? Armour
works on nonphysical attacks, as long as they come from melee hits in combat
(it stops a flaming sword, for example), but not, for example, skills (special
attacks meant to hit harder and cut through defenses) or a fall (teleport with
suicid^H^H^H^H^H^Herror). Since physress blocks physical melee hits AND ALSO
other things, it is considered superior. And, if the only attacks you'll ever
take are physical, it _is_ superior. Add this to the fact that you can get a
lot of +physress from a ring, which provides almost no armour at all, and you
have a potent ability. That's why highbies use it -- they can fit it into a
def set without wearing a huge multislot armour.
-- so where are the newbie +physress items? Well, I will admit, there aren't
many. I've made -- lemme count here -- two. I have, however, made quite a few
(at least 6) suits of fbody armour, which I think are more newbie-friendly
because (a) they take up only one chest slot and (b) since newbies are less
likely to take a large, nonphys hit, like a lava blast, armour is
comparitavely more useful to a newbie than a highbie.
-- the other small +stat items I have researched and know there are a few of
these, not necessarily a full newbie set but enough to start. Anti-abuse or
the like on monsters with +3 str belts and +3 con boots might make higbies
less likely to rape these for sac or shop value. If you know of a newbie-eq
monster that is being abused, tell the coder. If the coder is inactive, you
can tell any wiz 150+ or me.
Shinarae Lluminus
think it is. But about the "I think pr is bullhonkey" I will say this:
-- already pr is heavily tuned. You cannot, for example, get a full set of pr
to get 100%, 90%, or even 50% physress.
-- if I had to name a difference between pr and armor, other than "pr is magic
and armour is not" (which isn't true anyhow), I would say that armour is
anything meant to stop a "typical" battle hit, regardless of the nature of the
attack, usually a physical obstruction like a steel vest or iron helm. On the
other hand, pr is something that makes the body more resistant to physical
harm from _any_ source, such as a force field, making the body more dense, or
allowing wounds to stop bleeding quickly to prevent cuts/bruises to cause less
damage -- something a garment could not provide. What does this mean? Armour
works on nonphysical attacks, as long as they come from melee hits in combat
(it stops a flaming sword, for example), but not, for example, skills (special
attacks meant to hit harder and cut through defenses) or a fall (teleport with
suicid^H^H^H^H^H^Herror). Since physress blocks physical melee hits AND ALSO
other things, it is considered superior. And, if the only attacks you'll ever
take are physical, it _is_ superior. Add this to the fact that you can get a
lot of +physress from a ring, which provides almost no armour at all, and you
have a potent ability. That's why highbies use it -- they can fit it into a
def set without wearing a huge multislot armour.
-- so where are the newbie +physress items? Well, I will admit, there aren't
many. I've made -- lemme count here -- two. I have, however, made quite a few
(at least 6) suits of fbody armour, which I think are more newbie-friendly
because (a) they take up only one chest slot and (b) since newbies are less
likely to take a large, nonphys hit, like a lava blast, armour is
comparitavely more useful to a newbie than a highbie.
-- the other small +stat items I have researched and know there are a few of
these, not necessarily a full newbie set but enough to start. Anti-abuse or
the like on monsters with +3 str belts and +3 con boots might make higbies
less likely to rape these for sac or shop value. If you know of a newbie-eq
monster that is being abused, tell the coder. If the coder is inactive, you
can tell any wiz 150+ or me.
Shinarae Lluminus
Rating:
1
Votes:
3
Shinarae
A r c h w i z a r d
1y, 221d, 11h, 0m, 51s old
Level:
200 [Wizard]
As we know, armours truly do affect how people stand hits. Therefore let\'s
look about hardness to get decent prots. Next results came with 0 csense and
shadow as race, so natural ac didn\'t make comparasion hard. Also there\'s
included little description what one has to do to get that marvelous piece of
armour.
Kill kitiara, couple auraks and sivaks, then kill skie(or skip it) and finally
soth
soth plate stats vary (torso)
You have almost non-existent protection against general damage.
You have little protection against bashing.
You have almost non-existent protection against cutting.
You have almost non-existent protection against stabbing.
Kill reaver, do it with tigra
amazon suit +9 avoid (torso,arms and legs)
You have meager protection against general damage.
You have meager protection against bashing.
You have paltry protection against cutting.
You have meager protection against stabbing.
go there and kill disint/skill drain/level drain lich, then whack the golem
Corabandor suit +10 pr, -hit(torso,arms and legs)
You have meager protection against general damage.
You have meager protection against bashing.
You have poor protection against cutting.
You have meager protection against stabbing.
buy from merchant, might cost 10k
Merchant made o-yoroi(Delveling Does) (torso,arms and legs)
You have meager protection against general damage.
You have meager protection against bashing.
You have poor protection against cutting.
You have meager protection against stabbing.
soth was mentioned earlier, other stuff, well go kill akira and solo twice the
ackbar quest
Soth plate+Akira leggings+damiens(torso,arms and legs)
You have little protection against general damage.
You have little protection against bashing.
You have little protection against cutting.
You have almost non-existent protection against stabbing.
Dachbec Battlesuit(both hands, upper body and legs and feets)
You have little protection against general damage.
You have feeble protection against bashing.
You have feeble protection against cutting.
You have almost non-existent protection against stabbing.
from raztax
Silver battlesuit (Both hands, upper body and legs and feet)
You have meager protection against general damage.
You have poor protection against bashing.
You have feeble protection against cutting.
You have little protection against stabbing.
Now, for the results everyone can compare armours and how hard those are to
get. Also notice the thin line between full plate and o-yoroi. But the thing i
like most is that merchant made o-yoroi better prots than armour that is fairly
annoying and dangerous to get.
Grimpold Snow the long lost minstrel.
look about hardness to get decent prots. Next results came with 0 csense and
shadow as race, so natural ac didn\'t make comparasion hard. Also there\'s
included little description what one has to do to get that marvelous piece of
armour.
Kill kitiara, couple auraks and sivaks, then kill skie(or skip it) and finally
soth
soth plate stats vary (torso)
You have almost non-existent protection against general damage.
You have little protection against bashing.
You have almost non-existent protection against cutting.
You have almost non-existent protection against stabbing.
Kill reaver, do it with tigra
amazon suit +9 avoid (torso,arms and legs)
You have meager protection against general damage.
You have meager protection against bashing.
You have paltry protection against cutting.
You have meager protection against stabbing.
go there and kill disint/skill drain/level drain lich, then whack the golem
Corabandor suit +10 pr, -hit(torso,arms and legs)
You have meager protection against general damage.
You have meager protection against bashing.
You have poor protection against cutting.
You have meager protection against stabbing.
buy from merchant, might cost 10k
Merchant made o-yoroi(Delveling Does) (torso,arms and legs)
You have meager protection against general damage.
You have meager protection against bashing.
You have poor protection against cutting.
You have meager protection against stabbing.
soth was mentioned earlier, other stuff, well go kill akira and solo twice the
ackbar quest
Soth plate+Akira leggings+damiens(torso,arms and legs)
You have little protection against general damage.
You have little protection against bashing.
You have little protection against cutting.
You have almost non-existent protection against stabbing.
Dachbec Battlesuit(both hands, upper body and legs and feets)
You have little protection against general damage.
You have feeble protection against bashing.
You have feeble protection against cutting.
You have almost non-existent protection against stabbing.
from raztax
Silver battlesuit (Both hands, upper body and legs and feet)
You have meager protection against general damage.
You have poor protection against bashing.
You have feeble protection against cutting.
You have little protection against stabbing.
Now, for the results everyone can compare armours and how hard those are to
get. Also notice the thin line between full plate and o-yoroi. But the thing i
like most is that merchant made o-yoroi better prots than armour that is fairly
annoying and dangerous to get.
Grimpold Snow the long lost minstrel.
Rating:
8
Votes:
8
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