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#1
29 Mar 2007 21:19
 
 
There has never, ever, anywhere been a person who couldn't identify the
everyday staple foods they eat. "Damnit, my Mom only gave me slender orange
cones for lunch. Can I have some of your round black sweet things?"

The messages people without plant lore get for picked plants are goddamn
retarded. It's like someone wanted anyone, no matter how ignorant, to be able
to differentiate between all plants, but then everyone else decided that
players who figured out the associations between the two were cheating or
something and made handling plants from jars based on the dumb description
impossible.

I don't remember the game's description of grass is, so maybe this
is a bad example, but anyway: Anyone with an IQ over 40 knows grass when
they're walking through some woods and see it. Had the person been a
naturalist type, they might identify it more specifically as Reed Canary
Grass. Had the person been a botanist, they'd call it Phalaris
arundinacea. ('And maybe they'd have googled it and found out what can be made
from Phalaris arundinacea.)

The really weird thing is that the mineral system works pretty nicely. Anyone
can guess the general type, no randomly one wrote in descriptions of exactly
how gem deposits sparkle for those without mining and then made it so I can't
handle mineral boxes without mining skill. I can go to the exchange and handle
stuff there, presumably because I'm buying from marked bins and can remember
what I paid for. Which isn't at all how the herb exchange works.

I don't even know if I formed a cohesive argument here. Anyway, I'm going to
go eat some walnuts. The bag is clearly marked, so I promise I won't eat some
rocks by mistake.

 
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Presence
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#2
29 Mar 2007 22:34
 
 
Sine this thread will, apparently, not go away on its own, I will give the
reasons why the status quo will not change:
1) As was pointed out, the guilds that currently get any plant lore are the
only ones that have a real reason to use it. Druids for spells, merchants for
lumberjacking, alchies for potions, etc. Game balance generally insists that
only players who need/use a skill get it, no matter how useful it is. Sure, it
would be nice if a druid, having some familiarity with letter openers and
vegetable peelers, had skill in short blades. You think they haven't seen a
dagger before? But just because it would be nice doesn't mean they get it.
They are a non-melee guild, and get one weapon skill, bludgeons (because of
their staves).
2) As those of you earned your E%, rather than got dragged for it, already
know, there are plenty of sources of fruit and vegetables out there from a
more domesticated source. We have potato farmers, amazon fruit trees, apple
orchards, and mantis-ridden cornfields (which give us carrots for some
reason...but that's not the point). Most people are familiar with many basic
fruits and vegetables, yes, the ones they find in the supermarket. You don't
honestly think that's the only breed of carrot in existance, do you? There are
dozens, possibly hundreds, of different carrot breeds. While I'd trust even a
3rd grade child on the short bus to correctly identify a carrot in a
supermarket compared to, say, an apple and a chimichanga, I wouldn't trust
myself to pick a wild carrot (and yes, the ones you pick are wild) out of a
lineup with a parsely root, a chicory root, and a mandrake root by sight or
smell. And I _have_ seen them all before. Until I take a wilderness survival
course or two, I'll stick to the stuff in the market, and I know just about
everyone reading this does the same. If you want to take your chances on the
four roots mentioned above, bear in mind, one of them will kill you.
3) I admit, it seems odd that the typical ogre coming down off the mountain
can identify a rough diamond stone from a pebble, but can't tell an apple from
a strawberry. I will admit I had thought about changing that with raw
materials -- but then, the same ogre can tell steel, highsteel, mithril and
duraluminium apart on sight in finished weapons and armour, too. And removing
that ability would put a serious hurting on most players cash runs, as well as
a few other things. Perhaps it is more important to the average adventurer to
know the difference between materials in their armour and weapons (which
everyone uses on a daily basis) than the fruits and vegetables picked from the
woods (which most players don't see as often, even in my areas). Ogres don't
grow crops, dwarves live underground, catfolk are carnivores, etc. A lot of
existing races/players don't have any previous experience with plants, but
they all have experience with weapons and armour almost immediately.
4) I usually reserve tunes until I see a strong, compelling reason to change
the status quo. A drow evil priest has neither the racial inclinatino to know
plants, nor the guild-basd need to learn about them. I'm not giving everyone
plant lore just because one of them thinks it'd be a good idea. There's plenty
of other food out there, eat that.
5) When I was a mortal, I made it a point to stick to guilds that used plants
and plant lore, because I liked them and I thought they were useful. That
meant I was merchant, alchie, druid and ranger. It generally meant I sucked in
combat, but I never went hungry. Most players have, instead, decided to set up
their character to blow smoldering holes in walls, raise the dead, or beat
people senesless with their bare hands, even if that means they can't tell a
wild blueberry from a nightshade berry. This game is about choices, and you
can't have everything. Losing "plant lore" skill for "shatter spine" skill is
a trade most players are willing to make. I'm not goig to cheapen their
choices, or mine, by homoginizing the guilds till they all look the same.
Blueberries aren't worth it.

Shinarae Lluminus

 
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Shinarae
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#3
29 Mar 2007 22:35
 
 
Presence wrote:
There has never, ever, anywhere been a person who couldn't identify the
everyday staple foods they eat. "Damnit, my Mom only gave me slender orange
cones for lunch. Can I have some of your round black sweet things?"

The messages people without plant lore get for picked plants are goddamn
retarded. It's like someone wanted anyone, no matter how ignorant, to be able
to differentiate between all plants, but then everyone else decided that
players who figured out the associations between the two were cheating or
something and made handling plants from jars based on the dumb description
impossible.

I don't remember the game's description of grass is, so maybe this
is a bad example, but anyway: Anyone with an IQ over 40 knows grass when
they're walking through some woods and see it. Had the person been a
naturalist type, they might identify it more specifically as Reed Canary
Grass. Had the person been a botanist, they'd call it Phalaris
arundinacea. ('And maybe they'd have googled it and found out what can be made
from Phalaris arundinacea.)

The really weird thing is that the mineral system works pretty nicely. Anyone
can guess the general type, no randomly one wrote in descriptions of exactly
how gem deposits sparkle for those without mining and then made it so I can't
handle mineral boxes without mining skill. I can go to the exchange and handle
stuff there, presumably because I'm buying from marked bins and can remember
what I paid for. Which isn't at all how the herb exchange works.

I don't even know if I formed a cohesive argument here. Anyway, I'm going to
go eat some walnuts. The bag is clearly marked, so I promise I won't eat some
rocks by mistake.
Well, to be honest here, you never had a mom in mud to tell you it was a
carrot so haahaa, you stupid orphan =D

 
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Searc
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