Lower the money cost of reincs already FFS!

No kidding! Guild costs have become a major burden to mid level players who
arent able to make 500k gold in a day doing grinding money runs like some
people. It should not cost 400k+ for guild levels to a reinc. Why not
reinstate also an old custom that if you reinc that day(if you do not quit
out) that all guild levels are free and that "Newbies dont pay for guild
levels". Again, this is something that should be looked at and thought about
how to keep people who reinc 5 times a boot from abusing, not hard imho to do
so. Also, besides taking it cheaper on those who like instant reincs would
possibly make it an incentive to stay in reinc long enough not to take a huge
hit for reinc taxes and to stick it out as 1 reinc for that period of time. Of
course, maybe its asking too much to lower guild costs at all.

If you would stay in a reinc for two and a half months (this takes you to
minimum taxes) and did 20k every day (sounds awfully worksome, doesn't it),
you'd have 1.5M when you reinc.

UUHUHSSCCAARYY

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Juo Ppo

Lets see, hmmm, Last reinc was August 16th....2006. 2 and a half months? nice
guess though. Secondly, how about juo takes me on cash run since i cant get a
party for that. If you are stuck in a reinc that cant make money, how do you
propose to get out of a reinc with bare minimum cash of maybe 100k? it should
not take more than 200k max for guild levels for someone my lvl. Besides its
not like the money is used to do anything, it is taken from you and who gets
the money? if there was guild lotto every month to use even a % of the money
goes to random person in the guild its another story, but it has no purpose.
s

Of course the game should change. Boring things should be made less boring, fun
things should become more accessible. Its the fundamental law of game design.

Defining what is boring and what is fun is the harder bit.

Pub time.
Askan

Tarmalen guild really can't solo cash these days. Most people don't tip for
res anymore because they don't get the other services since they usually will
end up on a different continent from their resser.
If you don't party, it's next to impossible to make any cash solo.

-k

I'm not really sure how easy it is make 20k per day. If you are in a guild
that does not solo well, and if you don't get much opportunity to be
dragged about, or even be useful in parties, it is not necessarily that
easy.

With little exp, the priority is often just to make exp and, especially
if you are not an old hand at this game, that is not necessarily that
easy. If someone wants to play a guild that is not a great choice for
making exp and cash, you can get by in this game with some explore
and some killing of pretty small mobs. However, this is certainly
a slow process and making 20k in a short space of time (i.e. when
not specifically trying to make cash) can be pretty hard.

However, having said all that, my main point is that there are
various places where you can just pick up coins and cash with little
risk of being killed by anything. Perhaps the key point is to have
a good set of maps and macro commands to help you navigate around
and gather up what there is quickly. You won't make the typical 1-5k
per kill, but you can still get small amounts of cash on a regular
and pretty quick basis.

Tim

Did you even read the whole of my post???

I start with a comment which you obviously don't agree with. However,
since you don't seem to understand I'll make it easier for you.

Take a lowbie/newbie in a guild such as tarmalen (the best example)
but this can apply to other caster guilds and even some hybrids.
Now, assuming that lowbie/newbie is trying to do some explore and
exp and also assume that this lowbie/newbie doesn't have much in
the way of eq, boons or even a particularly optimized choice of
race. Now, give them say 2-3hours to play, 20k gold while slowly
killing mobs on newbie mountain, beastlands, shrea etc?

I.e. is is no NECESSARILY that easy. If you don't know where to go
and you don't play that much etc, 20k is not too bad for a few
hours for certain guilds.


However, my MAIN point is exactly what you stated. It is possible
to pick up bits of cash, eq etc just by running around in the
correct place.

Tim

Since when have newbie tarmas needed 500k money to reinc anyways?

-Lurkku

I used to know a lvl 20 sprite monk who made like 50k a day (not even trying).
Let me add that the person was new to batmud and just exp'd in newbie areas.
Cash is easy to come by.

Since the exp pool was introduced and a newbie tarm now can make 20-40m exp in
about a month and a half time, the exp needs to go somewhere, and the only
logical way is to inflate slightly and fill in the gaps. This will create a
gap in advancement where people do not really see the amount of money it costs
for 15 more guild levels after their primary. 15 levels isnt alot to some of
you, but it sure makes a difference to the cheap bastard who never has any
money to begin with.

Besides being the most retarded price in the world....If you are a newbie and
you do not have wanderers and you have small eq on, how do you manage to get
to deso if you are on laenor in the couple seconds time you need to respond to
something like that? Answer? You dont, because the highbie who might be idle
at the time has wanderers and hes already made it to your "Bob" and hes only
going to charge him 2k MAX!! and thats if they pay at all...1 mithril doesnt
cut it anymore!!!

Did you even READ the post you are replying to?

With all due respect, I agree that esiris is used but too few people.
However, I am convinced this is simply becauase A) People don't know it
exists, which is compounded by The location not being available through
pcity portals. I have talked to a number of players, all with over 50d of
play time, and when I mention esiris, they as "How do I get there?".

Yes, you can take a pcity portal to get to the home city on the continent,
then portal to esiris, but it would make a lot of sense (and make pcity
portals more useufl) to include esiris as a destination by default. I know
this would cheapen the "portal" aspects of travel to, being that is
this ethereal magical city in the sky, but realisticially speaking, in order
for it to get the attention and use it rightfully deserves, it needs to be
easier to get to.

This should have no overall effect on tune, as the city still keeps the
current travel restrictions in place.

But then again, what do I know.

Making Esiris easier to get to might well cause it to be used more often.
However, Esiris hasn't really been around that long, it's possible that,
despite any difficulties that there may or may not be in reaching Esiris,
it will become more heavily used in time.

For a start, I believe there are some quests that, once completed, allow
much easier access to Esiris. If this is the case, perhaps, when more
players have completed these quests, Esiris will be used more often.

Not that I have any object to allowing access to Esiris from player
city portal, it does seem like a nice idea.

Tim

Fair enough, but I am also of the strong opinion that the quests is rather
annoying and pointless since it does not save over reinc. Considering that
there is one per continent, this adds up pretty quick.

Yes, I know I know... it's not SUPPOSED to be easy to get between continents,
blah blah blah. Whatever, Wanderers is a waste of time, exp and money, the
quests are a waste of time since they don't save and ferries are a waste of
both time and money... in regards to personal boat ownership... yeah... don't
even both unless you have enough time and money to sink into it to make it
remotely speedy.

I didn't intend this post to have vitriol attached to it and I'm certainly not
attacking you, Tim. I'm just overall frustrated still with how difficult it
is to just play this damn game at times. It is needless complex in areas it
really doesn't need to be complex in. Add complexity and time sinks in areas,
mobs, eq, etc, not in day-to-day getting around and doing your job.

Yes, I want something that was intentionally (and needlessly) made more
difficult to become easier for everyone. Not wanting to dick around with
re-doing wanderers quests crests reinc after reinc, wasting time/money at
ferries and running cash endlessly just to afford a ship is not a matter of
being lazy. It is a matter of wanting to invest more time and resources
in-game to things that are actually fun and make a difference in regards to
character development. Right now, the things that have been made "harder"
have added nothing enjoyable, unique or interesting to my overall gaming
areas decently). I simply object to the continuous need to bang one's head
against the walls day after day doing stuff that ISN'T fun just to get around.
I'm not asking for suffeli falling from the sky, I would simply enoy a less

I honestly do not believe I am asking for suffeli from the sky. I simply
desire a less frustrating experience when playing the game, getting together
parties, doing merch stuff, etc. etc. etc.

If someone can point out to me how everything I've complained about in my
original post meaningfully adds to the overall BatMUD experience and adds
additional value, I would truly appreciate it. I'm not arguing about
continents (neat idea, can't wait to see what happens), or even the wanderers
crest quests (A nice way to make sure people know a continent's areas).

I simply object to the continuous need to bang one's head against the walls
day after day doing stuff that IS NOT fun just to get around. Yes, there's
lots of reptition of actions in MUD sometimes, but those should, by and
large, be by choice.