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I've heard a lot of talk from wizards here how they want this place to grow
and be a "multicultural" mud. At a certain time, the american player base
here was huge. That player base has shrunk and continues to shrink, due in no
small part, to the lack of care by the game coders. Myself personally, I love
this game, and i would love to see it survive and grow as a world-wide
community. However, I do not want to continue to play if i feel discriminated
against, or i feel that i am a "2nd class" citizen here. Previously
non-finnish players were quite literally treated as such. I have lost my
castle once, and my eqset numerous times, and never gotten a restore, whereas
finnish friends of mine have recieved restores multiple times. Thankfully
this policy has changed, however unfairness is still, quite literally, hard
coded into this system that has been created. The main problem right now for
american players is the inability to do once per boot eq/quests and the
lamentable practice of putting general rape prot on monsters.
Right now quite a few quests/areas are simply undoable for people who get on
after 00eet. Also, areas that have general rape prot are similiarly undoable.
This results in unfairness and should, imho, be changed to allow greater
access for ALL players. Ill illustrate this with the zoo/trilloch vault,
which has, as most highbies know, caused more friction between players than
just about any other area in the mud. \
Trilloch/zoo has both personal rape prot and general rape prot. The personal
rape prot is longer than the general, so theoretically multiple players have
access to it. However this only works if the personal rape prot is VERY LONG
and the global prot is VERY SHORT. Let me illustrate. One group of players
goes and does zoo. This creates personal rape prot of say 2 weeks, and global
of 1week. Now one week passes. Lets say there are 4 groups of players who
also want to do this eq. IT THEN BECOMES A RACE AMONG THESE GROUPS TO SEE WHO
CAN GET TO THE EQ FIRST. This process repeats itself. Basically whoever can
get to the eq right after the global rape prot wears off is able to harvest
the eq, and those that cant get to it till later, are not allowed to ever get
that eq. This in effect creates an unfair advantage for those that can get on
at boot to do this eq....
I have talked to Shinarae already about this matter, but he sees nothing wrong
with the system. I am now opening this up for public debate. There are
multiple areas that work this way. One important area that works in just a
similiar way is calythien. I'll bet that the same group of players have
killed that mob in 75-85% of the times it has been killed.
and be a "multicultural" mud. At a certain time, the american player base
here was huge. That player base has shrunk and continues to shrink, due in no
small part, to the lack of care by the game coders. Myself personally, I love
this game, and i would love to see it survive and grow as a world-wide
community. However, I do not want to continue to play if i feel discriminated
against, or i feel that i am a "2nd class" citizen here. Previously
non-finnish players were quite literally treated as such. I have lost my
castle once, and my eqset numerous times, and never gotten a restore, whereas
finnish friends of mine have recieved restores multiple times. Thankfully
this policy has changed, however unfairness is still, quite literally, hard
coded into this system that has been created. The main problem right now for
american players is the inability to do once per boot eq/quests and the
lamentable practice of putting general rape prot on monsters.
Right now quite a few quests/areas are simply undoable for people who get on
after 00eet. Also, areas that have general rape prot are similiarly undoable.
This results in unfairness and should, imho, be changed to allow greater
access for ALL players. Ill illustrate this with the zoo/trilloch vault,
which has, as most highbies know, caused more friction between players than
just about any other area in the mud. \
Trilloch/zoo has both personal rape prot and general rape prot. The personal
rape prot is longer than the general, so theoretically multiple players have
access to it. However this only works if the personal rape prot is VERY LONG
and the global prot is VERY SHORT. Let me illustrate. One group of players
goes and does zoo. This creates personal rape prot of say 2 weeks, and global
of 1week. Now one week passes. Lets say there are 4 groups of players who
also want to do this eq. IT THEN BECOMES A RACE AMONG THESE GROUPS TO SEE WHO
CAN GET TO THE EQ FIRST. This process repeats itself. Basically whoever can
get to the eq right after the global rape prot wears off is able to harvest
the eq, and those that cant get to it till later, are not allowed to ever get
that eq. This in effect creates an unfair advantage for those that can get on
at boot to do this eq....
I have talked to Shinarae already about this matter, but he sees nothing wrong
with the system. I am now opening this up for public debate. There are
multiple areas that work this way. One important area that works in just a
similiar way is calythien. I'll bet that the same group of players have
killed that mob in 75-85% of the times it has been killed.
Rating:
48
Votes:
53
In addition, I would like to know how we are discriminating against
any US or other foreign players? It certainly is not our intention.
As you mentioned, our restore policies etc are fair nowadays. So,
except for the stuff that is tied to boot (which are poor coding,
not a choice to discriminate against anybody), in what way does
this discrimination occur?
Note: discrimination against Nazrix is an entirely other matter,
and totally acceptable
++ Gore
any US or other foreign players? It certainly is not our intention.
As you mentioned, our restore policies etc are fair nowadays. So,
except for the stuff that is tied to boot (which are poor coding,
not a choice to discriminate against anybody), in what way does
this discrimination occur?
Note: discrimination against Nazrix is an entirely other matter,
and totally acceptable
++ Gore
Rating:
3
Votes:
12
I believe Blayke is just fustrated, and the problem I wouldn't say goes as far
as discrimination on the end of the administration, but perhaps overlooked
details as to how we could create a more playable and fair environment. I
would hope the intentions and dedicated work of wizards who create wonderful
areas and unique eq was not meant to be for the use of a small fraction of
players, and if said eq/area is in such high demand there needs to be a more
appropriate rape-prot. As it stands now the rape-prot does nothing but create
more problems, when the general rape prot drops people are fighting to get to
the area and it is a race of who will wake up first or who is already awake.
Which causes a problem for those of us who are not normally awake during
reboot. I would hope admin wouldn't advise us to wake up at boot to secure an
area and keep others out until we have party available in our evening or such.
What Blayke had suggested was perhaps upping the personal rape prot and
lowering the general, in this way Blayke, myself or anyone else who hasn't had
an oppurtunity to attempt or kill a specific mob or play an area has that
chance, while someone who knows it like the back of their hand and has killed
said mob many more times then all other groups of players in batmud have
killed that said mob can wait for their lengthy prot to drop. If for example
general prot would protect mob from only being allowed to be killed once
within a 7 day period and Blayke killing mob tonight would keep mob safe from
him for 4 weeks that would allow next 3 weeks many others to partake in that
area and challenge that mob. But when viewed from someone, like myself, who is
unable to even attempt a mob because same "hardcore" group kills it each time,
and has unfair advantage based on timezone it can seem like discrimination.
What I believe would be a good idea is looking at newer ways to institute a
"rape-prot," not just disallowing everyone for said days, but using either
more personal rape-prots or coming up with other unique idea.
I for one would love to see Shinarae's new idea of area cloning and how that
might help out in cases like this, because with the number of players already
on bat and batmud wishing to grow it's player base there should be some system
of allowing all players equal oppurtunity to attempt mobs and try out new
areas.
And yes I do agree, although discrimination is bad overall, it should be not
only tolerated but expected against people like Nazrix.
B.I.P.O.
as discrimination on the end of the administration, but perhaps overlooked
details as to how we could create a more playable and fair environment. I
would hope the intentions and dedicated work of wizards who create wonderful
areas and unique eq was not meant to be for the use of a small fraction of
players, and if said eq/area is in such high demand there needs to be a more
appropriate rape-prot. As it stands now the rape-prot does nothing but create
more problems, when the general rape prot drops people are fighting to get to
the area and it is a race of who will wake up first or who is already awake.
Which causes a problem for those of us who are not normally awake during
reboot. I would hope admin wouldn't advise us to wake up at boot to secure an
area and keep others out until we have party available in our evening or such.
What Blayke had suggested was perhaps upping the personal rape prot and
lowering the general, in this way Blayke, myself or anyone else who hasn't had
an oppurtunity to attempt or kill a specific mob or play an area has that
chance, while someone who knows it like the back of their hand and has killed
said mob many more times then all other groups of players in batmud have
killed that said mob can wait for their lengthy prot to drop. If for example
general prot would protect mob from only being allowed to be killed once
within a 7 day period and Blayke killing mob tonight would keep mob safe from
him for 4 weeks that would allow next 3 weeks many others to partake in that
area and challenge that mob. But when viewed from someone, like myself, who is
unable to even attempt a mob because same "hardcore" group kills it each time,
and has unfair advantage based on timezone it can seem like discrimination.
What I believe would be a good idea is looking at newer ways to institute a
"rape-prot," not just disallowing everyone for said days, but using either
more personal rape-prots or coming up with other unique idea.
I for one would love to see Shinarae's new idea of area cloning and how that
might help out in cases like this, because with the number of players already
on bat and batmud wishing to grow it's player base there should be some system
of allowing all players equal oppurtunity to attempt mobs and try out new
areas.
And yes I do agree, although discrimination is bad overall, it should be not
only tolerated but expected against people like Nazrix.
B.I.P.O.
Rating:
10
Votes:
16
Aye, we know the boot is a problem. Why do you think we're even
considering these "copyable" areas?
The other option would be to use some random timer for "rapeprot",
but that in turn makes it difficult to estimate when the ss needs
to be ready to go to the area.
We have, at times, also discussed about changing the boot to be
at some other time. But thus far this has seemed like the time
that has been the best compromise between our american and
european players. And if it were to switch (i.e. at noon today,
at evening tomorrow etc), then it would cause confusion in some
players who are unaware when the boot would actually come (and
thus loss of items due to open chests).
But we're open for suggestions how we could "discriminate" less.
++ Gore
considering these "copyable" areas?
The other option would be to use some random timer for "rapeprot",
but that in turn makes it difficult to estimate when the ss needs
to be ready to go to the area.
We have, at times, also discussed about changing the boot to be
at some other time. But thus far this has seemed like the time
that has been the best compromise between our american and
european players. And if it were to switch (i.e. at noon today,
at evening tomorrow etc), then it would cause confusion in some
players who are unaware when the boot would actually come (and
thus loss of items due to open chests).
But we're open for suggestions how we could "discriminate" less.
++ Gore
Ok. So if there is so much nation-oriented discrimination (as they claim), why
not make these copy areas not for individual players, but for the registered
countries? This would take away any time-related problems save the coutries
that span more than one time zone. Also, Nazrix should get his own area.
-- Lord Tarken Aurelius, the Sage
not make these copy areas not for individual players, but for the registered
countries? This would take away any time-related problems save the coutries
that span more than one time zone. Also, Nazrix should get his own area.
-- Lord Tarken Aurelius, the Sage
Rating:
-9
Votes:
18
Quote:
We have, at times, also discussed about changing the boot to be
at some other time. But thus far this has seemed like the time
that has been the best compromise between our american and
european players. And if it were to switch (i.e. at noon today,
at evening tomorrow etc), then it would cause confusion in some
players who are unaware when the boot would actually come (and
thus loss of items due to open chests).
at some other time. But thus far this has seemed like the time
that has been the best compromise between our american and
european players. And if it were to switch (i.e. at noon today,
at evening tomorrow etc), then it would cause confusion in some
players who are unaware when the boot would actually come (and
thus loss of items due to open chests).
current boot, I can\'t see myself doing any eq really at that timezone, unless
I\'m into late-night sessions even more than I am now.
I think the rotating boots are in long term most likely fair one, just have
screen-sized \'ALERT! BOOT in 12 HOURS!\' alarm when you log in and hourly
notices for people who don\'t pay attention (aka whine about different boot
times, lost eq, or whatever).
-Daerid
Rating:
2
Votes:
16
Gore wrote:
In addition, I would like to know how we are discriminating against
any US or other foreign players? It certainly is not our intention.
As you mentioned, our restore policies etc are fair nowadays. So,
except for the stuff that is tied to boot (which are poor coding,
not a choice to discriminate against anybody), in what way does
this discrimination occur?
Note: discrimination against Nazrix is an entirely other matter,
and totally acceptable
++ Gore
any US or other foreign players? It certainly is not our intention.
As you mentioned, our restore policies etc are fair nowadays. So,
except for the stuff that is tied to boot (which are poor coding,
not a choice to discriminate against anybody), in what way does
this discrimination occur?
Note: discrimination against Nazrix is an entirely other matter,
and totally acceptable
++ Gore
resent this policy and call for an end to discrimination. It's really not
funny and is depressing me.
(*==-- /\/ --==*) BatMUD Council Representative (*==-- /\/ --==*)
Rating:
-5
Votes:
20
Gore wrote:
In addition, I would like to know how we are discriminating against
any US or other foreign players? It certainly is not our intention.
As you mentioned, our restore policies etc are fair nowadays. So,
except for the stuff that is tied to boot (which are poor coding,
not a choice to discriminate against anybody), in what way does
this discrimination occur?
Note: discrimination against Nazrix is an entirely other matter,
and totally acceptable
++ Gore
any US or other foreign players? It certainly is not our intention.
As you mentioned, our restore policies etc are fair nowadays. So,
except for the stuff that is tied to boot (which are poor coding,
not a choice to discriminate against anybody), in what way does
this discrimination occur?
Note: discrimination against Nazrix is an entirely other matter,
and totally acceptable
++ Gore
having once per boot quests
rolling boot please.
- blackstar -
Rating:
-15
Votes:
22
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