Hello folks. I was cheating by this way: I casted about ten melody of the
misadventurer spells to player x who quited to clean the effects. I already
was stopped casting before anyone asked anything about it and I wasn't warned.
Mainpoint here is that _I wasn't robotting_ there. I didn't realize that it
was even illegal (I haven't seen any helpfile or so which says that quiting
for disliked spells is illegal) and I have seen much worse "kbhabusements"
before that mine was. Maybe consiquences was justified. Sorry for all and
please stop asking about _robotting_ already cause that was not about it.

i totally disagree. cheating is deliberate. this is a case of taking advantage
of the circumstances, not cheting. i recently heard of someone using a room
that does area dam to get a first aid quest. shinarae backed it up, saying
that's just brilliant! i frequently tell people to quit and re-enter to fix
lotsa problems, from a botched dark baptism to weird ticks or other odd shit.
its not cheating if people dont fix the existing code.

then everyone who read presence\'s page and used church to kbh singalong is
cheating also

Ooga what the hell kind of question is that? Do you expect lawyer-ing here in
batmud to provide you with some technical precedent which allows you to skirt
the system? Think of this more like: doing it once is ILLEGAL, like speeding
in your car. Most of the time you aren't caught but it's a risk. You become
careless and you speed even more, until you are stopped by police, then
perhaps they let you go with a warning, but at some point when you have so
many "accidents" speeding you will be punished! Your question sounds like some
crap I would ask arch here when I was 15 . Favorit's punishment is just,
that Goa knew he was doing something wrong.

He should be happy he didn't get ban and exp zap and kbh wipe!

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the rest of this thread is insane and spiraling out of control, so i\'ll ignore
it.

that wasn\'t my point at all, i never meant to imply it was legal cause we all
did it, please dont make assumption that make me sound like a moron.

the point is, that as nazrix(i think) said in a previous post, sometimes arches
say hey good trick, sometimes goa gets his kbh reset. there is no rhyme or
reason, so if you are going to reset goa, you really should probably reset 90%
of recent bards since i bet a _lot_ of them used the church for catchy
singalong. the issue (its not a new one in any way) is how subjective and
random the rules are sometimes. where does it say using the fact that the
church cancels catchy singalong is illegal, its not like the church is a bug
i\'m abusing. its not like i\'m the first person to discover that the church
negates some spells and i haven\'t told anyone? so how am i to know? did goa
get a warning and then still do it? cause that makes him an idiot, otherwise
he is a poor sucker who got punished for breaking a rule that exists in some
people\'s mind and not in others.

ps. i dont really know or care about goa (no offense), its just that i know i
used church, and if i had my kbh reset cause it i would have been really mad.
of course it was like my second song but thats besides the point. so if out of
the blue he got a reset, i\'ll bring this up even if mine does too, cause its a
matter of not being punished for a rule that doesn\'t exist.

In my opinion this whole issue is a matter of mortals being woefully
uninformed about what is considered sneaky and smart use of a feature, and
what is considered 'abusing' a feature for an undesired effect. There's a lot
of ways in the game to make hard things easier, I'm not sure if it was fixed,
but sitting at magic mouth casting tiger claw (without roboting mind) to build
up rep was how I built up enough rep for a usable claw way back when I was a
little newbie tiger with 20m totals. As mentioned in a previous post there is
the 'dragging a newbie without swim through the ocean to use first aid on him'
and similar techniques. An archwizard can say "I'm an arch, I'm right, and I
say it's cheating", but I really don't think just slamming the first person he
notices with a punishment and then AFTER punishment has been dished out
telling everyone it's cheating when it is obvious that a LOT of mortals didn't
think it was is a bit much like shooting first and asking questions later. I
in no way mean to offend favorit, he is one of my favorite (no pun intended)
arches, but I think, in future atleast, it would be good if, when the first
person ever is caught doing something that could be considered cheating, but
also could be considered smart use of a feature, then the mortal in question
should be given a warning, and a public inform be used to inform everyone that
it will be considered cheating from now on. Otherwise I think a lot of us are
going to be too worried about being punished for cheating to be inventive and
creative in finding solutions to our problems, and that would be a shame.

Then why they say you robot? Favorit lied? What are you saying Mr.Goa?

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