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#1
15 Nov 2006 01:48
 
 
party say Got Heal From: (Lim)
ok i recently robbed someone with a friend who was made to return the shit we
robbed because the reason he initiated the robbery was from a real life
situation. i feel that no matter wot the initiative, a robbery is a robbery.
the reason we did it has nothing to do with the ability we had to do it. i've
gone over every help file i can find to see why the arch made us return the
shit we stole, and can find no reason why why we should have been made to
return it. as far as i can tell, this is a case of favoritism. if we're not
allowed to rob people for any reason whatsoever, the reason should be posted
so those with the ability to rob know who and when they are allowed to rob.
the result of the situation is that wasted about 2 hours of my time robbing
someone and opening his chests for nothing. in all fairness, i think i should
be compensated for my wasted efforts with at least a meg xp and 200k...my
usual rate of 2 hours work.

 
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Kheldor
173d, 19h, 13m, 58s old
Level:
96
 
 
#2
15 Nov 2006 03:40
 
 
Since this 'can I rob pcities' thing is causing some controversy, let me
explain it from my point of view.

First: Yes, you are allowed to rob pcities. There is no rule against that.

Now to the actual case. There were three people involved. We shall call
them A, B and X.

A and X had an ongoing reallife dispute, alledgedly involving rl funds or
property. In A's view, X owed him money, which X disagreed with.

To collect the money, A approached B and together they raided the room of
X and took his items. After this A approached X and told him that unless
he paid his RL debts, he would not see his items again.

This is where we archwizards come in to the picture.

Robbing a cities is entirely ok (though then the thief is responsible for
any reprecusions and shouldn't whine if he gets pkilled). What made this
different was that it involved a RL extortion scheme (pay in RL or you
will not get your items back), which violates 'help extortion' and
'help trading'. If there had been no RL "blackmailing", I would not have
gotten involved and written it off as a legit robbery.

As it sucks to have to mediate in RL disputes, especially since both
sides have totally different views on the matter, I figured I'd try to
act reasonable. The net result was that A returned most of the stolen
stuff to X (minus one item which was supposedly kept to cover the
expense of items that X had damaged from A).

I figured this was quite fair. Everybody got something (except poor B,
who got duped into this mess) and there was no need to start removing
people. The reason for not doing any removals was mainly that A agreed
to return most of the items, and in all fairness, A could have raided
the city (and kept everything) had he not included the RL blackmail into
this mess.

++ Gore

P.s. I've gotten wiser from this incident. In the future when I get
approached by two immature kids bickering in the MUD about RL issues,
instead of wasting my time in dealing with their shit, I will remove
them both. Easier for me, and fair for everybody.

 
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Votes:
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Gore
A r c h w i z a r d
8y, 267d, 20h, 51m, 39s old
Level:
600 [Wizard]
 
 
#3
15 Nov 2006 05:20
 
 
Sounds like a fair solution by Gore and thanks first of all to Gore for
telling us about this story instead of letting rumors fly. This is just
another reason to ban castle robbing. Reagent "robbed" some guy's eq with
triggers and made them all dest and he got restore, some guy got robbed for
some reasons and he got restore. How about save everyone the trouble and
disable robbing and fixing exploits that cause you to lose eq? You could have
also punished the blackmailer and given all the eq to Kheldor who justly
earned it, and told the guy who was being blackmailed "just consider it normal
robbery and blackmailer has been punished". But your solution is fine too.

(*==-- /\/ --==*) BatMUD Council Representative (*==-- /\/ --==*)

 
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Nazrix
216d, 10h, 25m, 13s old
Level:
100
 
 
#4
15 Nov 2006 05:15
 
 
Kheldor wrote:
party say Got Heal From: (Lim)
ok i recently robbed someone with a friend who was made to return the shit we
robbed because the reason he initiated the robbery was from a real life
situation. i feel that no matter wot the initiative, a robbery is a robbery.
the reason we did it has nothing to do with the ability we had to do it. i've
gone over every help file i can find to see why the arch made us return the
shit we stole, and can find no reason why why we should have been made to
return it. as far as i can tell, this is a case of favoritism. if we're not
allowed to rob people for any reason whatsoever, the reason should be posted
so those with the ability to rob know who and when they are allowed to rob.
the result of the situation is that wasted about 2 hours of my time robbing
someone and opening his chests for nothing. in all fairness, i think i should
be compensated for my wasted efforts with at least a meg xp and 200k...my
usual rate of 2 hours work.
Kheldor is absolutely right, wtf? He robbed someone with some guy who was
angry to another guy IRL and Kheldor is punished? I think robbing should be
disabled, forever. I have been robbed by Sai and Sai's friends in the last few
years and I didn't get any restores, perhaps it was for IRL reasons? There is
no helpfile about robbing here and it's easier to rob here than pkill, since
robbing is legal and pkill is semi-legal. If you force such rules like this
then please post them like you have in help player killing. I don't rob people
and I don't like to be robbed, and it would be disabled anyways, but if you
keep it going don't play favoritism.

(*==-- /\/ --==*) BatMUD Council Representative (*==-- /\/ --==*)

 
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Nazrix
216d, 10h, 25m, 13s old
Level:
100