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#1
11 Aug 2010 17:37
 
 
Hello fellow admins, gamers, coders and other mentally instable people. Oh and
females^Wladys.
Tarken tells you 'I took the liberty of deleting your character's desc. If I
hear about you doing malicious things like that (which violate 'help robot') I
will see to it that you are punished.' (Wed Aug 11 04:35:18 2010)
I took the liberty to read help robot and I noticed it is talking about
making triggs that do things based on what are show in your screen,
automaticly "when you are not directly involved". I had vanilia batclient
triggs when Lozlo started to loop after looking me. No triggers in my side,
broken ones at his, so you better not cling on that violating help robot. If
anyone, you should know what roboting means.

Are you accusing me for using stupidity of others to wake 'em up? Yes, I
confess, I have sinned.
I raided^Wtriggered your pcity^Wclient, maybe you should get pguards^Wsafe
triggers and make em block^Wchange your delim? Just like the help files
suggest.
It is said in CAPS by (arch)wizards that don't use trigg(s) that you don't
trust as it can do malicious things and (you) USE IT AT YOUR OWN RISK!
If someone can get your triggers to donate your things to damogran, well too
bad. There is no rules or policy that punish for such actions. In the other
hand, you just did something that can be considered as roboting, hence top of
loosing equ you are roboting.

I have kept that desc for years. I have OUCH'ed players to point out their
flaws in triggs, i have made them dance, check bat stats and whatnot. Have i
once done any real harm or broken rules? No. Have i smoked out several
roboters and pointed out critical security issues? Yes.
While the wizard council gathers to KepuCon to determine my proper sentence
(while I be attending a weding), you can test for your triggs with following:

A ;rate 1; hits you.
If you just rated this post as +1, you think you have safe triggs.
A ;@tell damogran fuck me, i got dangerous triggs; hits you.
A ;ld My triggs failed the trigg test; hits you.
If you are reading this while going LD or with low HPs or both, you should
change fresh trousers and get new triggs.
Because the next guest logging in might just be asshole enough to ruin your
game with a sledgehammer. Like Thematrix gone postal. It takes only three
shouts to make ALL broken trigg users to donate all their equ. The same shouts
that are heard mud wide.

So get trigs that are safe or make your own. While at it, stop spamming the
channels with info that is already shown room wide (warez, stunns, hit by X,
awake, this is up, that down) and lite them instead. Keep at least the party
channel clear as it easier to know whats going on if you can read leaders
wishes and not need to dig em up with greps or from scrollback.

On the other hand, if my punishment is same flavored as Tarkens, i (finally)
get to immort and get a mark to my portfolio from a game that I respect.

A :-D hits you.

 
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Blacksmith
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#2
11 Aug 2010 20:14
 
 
See 'help cheating'
And I quote.. "Using "meta-game" features to force other players to do
actions, such as abusing their _legal_ triggers."

Not cut the bullshit and fix your description.

--Dralith

 
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Dralith
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#3
11 Aug 2010 20:24
 
 
Concerning Mr. Blacksmith.

First of all, I'm not quoting the whole long post, but I'll address few of
the points that mr. Blacksmith discussed in his post (general group, 3072)
concerning triggers and robotting.

The situation in question (to my understanding) is that you had
written malicious lines in your character description that are meant
to trigger, when a person with badly coded client triggers with
default delimeter looks at you. In this unfortunate event, it has
apparently been Lozlo.

Let's discuss the nature of triggers. Triggers usually are simple
scripts made on the client side to enhance the gaming experience.
BatMUD is played by people around the world, of many fields and
education and equipped with different kinds of skill sets. Some of
us, myself included, are capable of (trigger) coding, while the
others even meet people outside the game and even go on dates. It
is obvious that not everyone excels that well in the field of
software programming, but some are willing to try because we
developers sometimes have limited resources to work with some of
the interface issues that we might have and some simple triggers
can be used to enhance the playability. In the past we have seen
many client side contributions by players like GgrTF by Ggr, or
the triggers by Era, just to name give an example.

I've picked some key points from your post and try to answer
them. These are not direct quotes, but to save space, I've
placed them in a form of statements. If I have been twisting your
words, I can only give my word that this hasn't been my intent
and I'm just merely trying to address your post. Let's proceed:

"I read help robot. It doesn't say this is against the rules.
Tarken is wrong."

- You are correct. The help file isn't "help robot", the correct
helpfile was "help cheating", you can read it later, but I'll
quote the line that is topical in this conversation:

Using "meta-game" features to force other players to do actions,
such as abusing their _legal_ triggers.

To add: There are lots of things you can do to ruin someone's
game experience that isn't necessarily stated in the rules.
We're a community with guidelines. We try to live by them, but
there are cases in which we must take action if we think
something is clearly against the spirit of the community
(spamming, flooding & intentional attempts to ruin someone's
game experience).

"The stupidity of others is to be blamed. Even archwizards say
to use triggers at own risk. If someone donates equipment to
Damogran, well, learn to code triggers."

I expressed my opinion about the nature of triggers in this
post on the above. It is also true that people use triggers
at their own risk. Some badly coded triggers may end up
looping on their own or might make you run commands that you
don't want and so on. However, the risk that the admins mean
is that if you happen to have bad triggers, the admins might not
want to get involved with reimbursing your items, experience
or whatever, because the topic is not a game issue. However, the
purpose is not to allow capable abusers to torment people who
just want to play the game. We don't encourage people in
stealing passwords either, even if someone would
have a bad password.

"I have had the description for years and with that I've
helped people see the security issues in their triggers."

If your purpose is to make people see their security issues,
why is it malicious? Yes, for those who don't know, your "helpful"
way of making people see the flaws in their triggers involved
making them activate so that they clear their entire note list,
making them loop and then going linkdead. First of all, does
this enhance someone's game experience? I wonder if there are
alternative ways of making people aware of their security flaws?

In your post you warn people about assholes who might come
to the game and ruin someone's game experience (with a
ledgehammer you say). I wonder if you realize that you have
joined this selective club and have already ruined a little
part of someone's game experience by abusing their triggers
to clear their note lists? Of course it's not in the same scale
as many more malicious ways of trigger attacks.

We (=the developers) are trying to offer everyone a nice
gaming environment. When messing with some members of our
community (=the players), keep in mind that many times it is
our friendly archwizards who are usually taking their own
time attempting to fix the sad results for our players to help
them enjoy this game in which we have put a lot of collective
effort; even when they didn't have to and even when the
whole thing can be said to be the victim's own fault.


 
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Darol
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